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Desperate Heretic | Desperate Heretic https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43590.msg1001352#msg1001352
« on: September 20, 2012, 11:13:09 pm »
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:light :light : If your deck has 5 or less cards, add a Blessing to the bottom of your deck.
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Re: Desperate Zealot | Desperate Zealot https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43590.msg1001358#msg1001358
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2012, 11:37:48 pm »
You know, that Quintessence removes the 1-turn vulnerability ? The card is useful only in rainbow decks anyway.
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Re: Desperate Zealot | Desperate Zealot https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43590.msg1001362#msg1001362
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2012, 11:55:55 pm »
You know, that Quintessence removes the 1-turn vulnerability ? The card is useful only in rainbow decks anyway.

true, but it still gives the opponent 2 turns to do ... something.  probably wouldn't fit well into the game as it is without relevant countermeasures also being added.  mostly i am trying to counter healing stall in a semi-creative way.
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Re: Desperate Zealot | Desperate Zealot https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43590.msg1001364#msg1001364
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2012, 12:16:25 am »
So it's so powerful OTK.
Draw dis+quint (maybe momentum), stall&draw. You Win. Fxck instosis. What?
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Re: Desperate Zealot | Desperate Zealot https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43590.msg1001417#msg1001417
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2012, 02:50:24 am »
How about he enters the battle poisoned or with a random negative buff? He's desperate after all.

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Re: Desperate Zealot | Desperate Zealot https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43590.msg1001418#msg1001418
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2012, 02:52:40 am »
Desperate zealot doesn't really seem like it fits the mechanic. The mechanic is very interesting though. More win conditions (like MtG), but you'll need quite some thought on balancing it.

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Re: Desperate Zealot | Desperate Zealot https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43590.msg1001428#msg1001428
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2012, 03:47:28 am »
I would not be looking forward to the ZealOTK.

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Re: Desperate Zealot | Desperate Zealot https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43590.msg1001429#msg1001429
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2012, 03:50:53 am »
Seems like Laboratory Maniac.

That being said, I don't find the theme very fitting and the mechanic seems unbalanced. (As a vanilla hitter w/o the effect its rather UP, limiting it to OTKs.)

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Re: Desperate Zealot | Desperate Zealot https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43590.msg1001461#msg1001461
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2012, 06:25:52 am »
This is too OP. Even said that , the mechanism needs a name.
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Re: Desperate Zealot | Desperate Zealot https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43590.msg1001515#msg1001515
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2012, 03:01:26 pm »
I also noticed this night - like some other players here - , that this card is totally OP. We donĀ“t need 8-card OTK combos, when we have THIS. A 3-card combo: Zealot + Momentum + Quint. Momentum stops shield effects like freeze or delay.
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Re: Desperate Zealot | Desperate Zealot https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43590.msg1001525#msg1001525
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2012, 03:57:25 pm »
Yeah, this is really broken. But the theme could possibly be revamped slightly:

Desperate: If you have X or less cards in your deck, triple this card's attack.
:light :light You will not lose by deckout next turn.

X could be as high as 5 and as little as 0, depending on balance.

It seems really different, but in reality it's only two differences: how much damage is dealt (tripled instead of infinitied) and when it is dealt (if X=1. Because as is this basically deals infinite damage if you have zero cards in your deck. stats can be tweaked slightly to balance it. It also requires an upkeep to keep it's ability.

Also, the triple damage ability gives it synergy with blessing.
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Re: Desperate Zealot | Desperate Zealot https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43590.msg1001532#msg1001532
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2012, 04:25:50 pm »
Yeah, this is really broken. But the theme could possibly be revamped slightly:

Desperate: If you have X or less cards in your deck, triple this card's attack.
:light :light You will not lose by deckout next turn.

X could be as high as 5 and as little as 0, depending on balance.
I am not sure if the size of the deck required for the triple attack would have any significant impact on the balance.

Ability costs go from 0 to Shard of Readiness.
The highest the real activation cost could go (assuming a forced combo with Shard of Readiness) is 4 :rainbow 1 :aether + 1 card|2 :rainbow 1 :aether + 1 card
The 1 :aether represents the detail that  :aether is still valuable and needed for the Quint. I have assumed a worse than average RNG result
The rest of the cost is in  :rainbow because the combo would have excess  :rainbow to spend.
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