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Delayed Bolt | Future Shock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6938.msg74675#msg74675
« on: May 25, 2010, 06:34:20 pm »
Here's my time version of firebolt 8)
Stole the name off of Glaviga (it was just so awesome)
NAME:
Delayed Bolt
ELEMENT:
Time  :time
COST:
:time
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
N/A
ABILITY:
Deals 1 damage to the target for every 3 time quantums in your possession. Effects in 3 turns
NAME:
Future Shock
ELEMENT:
Time  :time
COST:
:time
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
N/A
ABILITY:
Deals 1 damage to the target for every 3 time quantums in your possession. Effects in 3 turns
ART:
Lugh
IDEA:
Assassim
NOTES:
Time version of firebolt. Used to sneak up on enemies. The effect takes place at the end of the third turn (yours) after the card has been played.
SERIES:
None
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Re: Delayed Bolt | Future Shock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6938.msg74888#msg74888
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 11:48:09 pm »
seems pointless, minimal damage and you have to wait for it

but improve on it and it could be a good idea

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Re: Delayed Bolt | Future Shock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6938.msg74900#msg74900
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2010, 12:05:05 am »
1 damage for each 3 time quantums?
Might be too much damage...but considering with fire bolt it's not bad.
I just don't see what the delay is for.

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Re: Delayed Bolt | Future Shock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6938.msg74916#msg74916
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2010, 12:44:10 am »
Make it 2 turns of delay, or even 1, and well talk. It's only more damaging than Fire Bolt once you get past 9 quanta, but other than that it's a lot weaker due to the delay effect combined with the fact that that it won't even manage to deal 3 damage unless you're up to 9 quanta.

I'd propose a change to 2 damage per 3 quanta, and to make the delay proportional. For example, if I has less than 10 :time, it's be 1 turn of delay. 10-20, 2 turns. 20+ caps at 3 turns.
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Re: Delayed Bolt | Future Shock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6938.msg74919#msg74919
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2010, 12:49:25 am »
I based it off a pokemon move "Future Sight"
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On the turn Future Sight is selected, this attack will do nothing other than say that the user has foreseen an attack. Two turns later, Future Sight will do damage against the target
This is actually a lot stronger than Fire Bolt (hence the delay). The delay can also catch opponents off guard when they think they're safe (I for one doze off in pvp and forget whats happening). Won't be much use against the AI though :/

Make it 2 turns of delay, or even 1, and well talk. It's only more damaging than Fire Bolt once you get past 9 quanta, but other than that it's a lot weaker due to the delay effect combined with the fact that that it won't even manage to deal 3 damage unless you're up to 9 quanta.

I'd propose a change to 2 damage per 3 quanta, and to make the delay proportional. For example, if I has less than 10 :time, it's be 1 turn of delay. 10-20, 2 turns. 20+ caps at 3 turns.

Hmm. sounds good.

"Bolt's/Shock's effect will occur in the near future"

Does that wording sound all right to you guys?

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Re: Delayed Bolt | Future Shock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6938.msg74939#msg74939
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2010, 01:05:15 am »
Kind of counterproductive if the opponent plays a mirror/jade shield when they see it coming, after you play it.

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Re: Delayed Bolt | Future Shock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6938.msg74949#msg74949
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2010, 01:11:12 am »
I based it off a pokemon move "Future Sight"
Quote
On the turn Future Sight is selected, this attack will do nothing other than say that the user has foreseen an attack. Two turns later, Future Sight will do damage against the target
This is actually a lot stronger than Fire Bolt (hence the delay). The delay can also catch opponents off guard when they think they're safe (I for one doze off in pvp and forget whats happening). Won't be much use against the AI though :/

Make it 2 turns of delay, or even 1, and well talk. It's only more damaging than Fire Bolt once you get past 9 quanta, but other than that it's a lot weaker due to the delay effect combined with the fact that that it won't even manage to deal 3 damage unless you're up to 9 quanta.

I'd propose a change to 2 damage per 3 quanta, and to make the delay proportional. For example, if I has less than 10 :time, it's be 1 turn of delay. 10-20, 2 turns. 20+ caps at 3 turns.

Hmm. sounds good.

"Bolt's/Shock's effect will occur in the near future"

Does that wording sound all right to you guys?

Ah, yes, I remember Future Sight. I always thought it was a terrible move, since the trade-off offered barely any extra power. Perish Song (I think it's called?) was much better for delayed damage purposes (That'd be the one that kills both in ~3 turns?). The same with this card, I think, because of the simple fact that the rise in damage is very small, instead of 3:10+3 it's more similar to 3:9+1 (Just assuming it'd work with that +1/2/3 stuff like the Bolts and Siphon) with a minimal +1 or +2 damage in between.

Then you add in the delay...

And end up with something much worse than Fire Bolt. One alternative would be to have it delay the attacked creature as well, but that's kind of stealing off of Ice Lance (Although it could be changed so it dealt 1:10 and maybe did 2 stasis per 10... But that's getting off track).

Kind of counterproductive if the opponent plays a mirror/jade shield when they see it coming, after you play it.
I think it wouldn't matter, probably, since you've already targeted them, the damage that actually hits later in more similar to poison.
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Re: Delayed Bolt | Future Shock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6938.msg74951#msg74951
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2010, 01:12:41 am »
I think it needs a delay buff 1-2 turns is enough.

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Re: Delayed Bolt | Future Shock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6938.msg75044#msg75044
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2010, 04:18:13 am »
Haha, what if I just added something cheesy like "view your oppenants hand in the turns before the bolt/shock hits" or "draw a card"? (yes i know those two effects are precog ripoffs)

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Re: Delayed Bolt | Future Shock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6938.msg77281#msg77281
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2010, 02:50:55 pm »
Is the damage based on your :time quanta when you play the card, or when it hits? I guess the latter could serve to boost the card's damage but with Fire Bolts you can eg. play all your Fire Bolts and then a dragon, while with Delayed Bolts this would not work as good then.

Still, with :times stalling and card drawing it has some advantages when compared with Fire Bolt.
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Re: Delayed Bolt | Future Shock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6938.msg85793#msg85793
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2010, 04:26:56 pm »
Please change "quantums" to "quanta".  Thanks.
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Re: Delayed Bolt | Future Shock https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6938.msg86100#msg86100
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2010, 11:10:34 pm »
Please change "quantums" to "quanta".  Thanks.
Copied wording from firebolt

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2592.0.html

@ Xinef - It's the number of :time quantum you have when you cast the spell

 

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