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Title: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: ScytherLoL on June 30, 2010, 11:08:46 pm
(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/ScytherLoL/Dead-Wood.png)
(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/ScytherLoL/Dead-Wood-Elite.png)
NAME:
Dead Wood
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|6
ABILITY:
:life :life :life Revive: Dead Wood becomes an Ent.
NAME:
Elite Dead Wood
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|7
ABILITY:
:life :life :life Revive: Dead Wood becomes an Elite Ent.
ART:
x-horizon http://x-horizon.deviantart.com/art/The-Dark-Tree-9507455?q=1&qo=1
IDEA:
Scyther
NOTES:
A :darkness :life combo This card spawns the Ent card. It is the only way to receive the Ent card.
SERIES:
Not a series Yet
(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/ScytherLoL/Ent.png)
(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/ScytherLoL/Ent-Elite.png)
NAME:
Ent
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
7 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4|6
ABILITY:
Ent turns into Dead Wood when killed
NAME:
Elite Ent
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
7 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
5|7
ABILITY:
Elite Ent turns into Elite Dead Wood when killed
ART:
Natal-ee-a http://natal-ee-a.deviantart.com/art/Dark-Ent-131416345?q=1&qo=1
IDEA:
Scyther
NOTES:
A :life :darkness combo This card is not available f=through any other means except through the Dead Wood Card
SERIES:
Not in a series Yet
So this was really a take on combining :lifebig and :darknessbig together as I find it useful at times to use them both in a duo deck. The Ent card is only available through the Dead Wood card it cannot be found in any other way.

Not the best result but I think the idea bears merit so am happy to post and accept all your words of constructive advice.

Thanks

Scyther
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: eh pewwwp on June 30, 2010, 11:18:04 pm
I like how it's kinda a play off of phoenix, but will these be two separate cards or will it be like phoenix/ash. Ent/Deadwood would be better than Deadwood/Ent, just like phoenix. It would fit into other decks better if it starts as an Ent



OR.....



you can out reverse time on it, like mummy, and have it turn into an Ent and it could do the whole deadwood cycle
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: ScytherLoL on June 30, 2010, 11:29:52 pm
Yes I hadn't thought of the rewind but I thought it was more along the lines of "if a tree dies it becomes dead wood" so did that as the ability.

Ent is not available except through Dead Wood in the same way that you cannot buy Ash. But it has a cost incase it is rewound.

Thanks

Scyther
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: Essence on July 01, 2010, 12:25:03 am
Why would deadwood be :darkness and not, you know, :death ?
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: Bloodshadow on July 01, 2010, 12:39:37 am
Quote from: Essence on July 01, 2010, 12:25:03 am
Why would deadwood be :darkness and not, you know, :death ?
Agreed. This should be :life :death.
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: Kael Hate on July 01, 2010, 01:37:38 am
Are these available as seperate cards or is one the token to the other like ash is to Phoenix?
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: ScytherLoL on July 01, 2010, 01:42:13 am
Quote from: Essence on July 01, 2010, 12:25:03 am
Why would deadwood be :darkness and not, you know, :death ?
Hmm proably because I like :darkness but yes you are most likely right I should go with :death instead.

Quote from: Kael Hate on July 01, 2010, 01:37:38 am
Are these available as seperate cards or is one the token to the other like ash is to Phoenix?
The Dead Wood is the only card available in my thinking but the suggestion has been made to have the Ent available instead. The idea is that only one of these is available to purchase, the other you can only get through activation of the card.

Thanks

Scyther
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: harakirinosaru on July 01, 2010, 01:56:20 am
Quote from: ScytherLoL on July 01, 2010, 01:42:13 am
Quote from: Kael Hate on July 01, 2010, 01:37:38 am
Are these available as seperate cards or is one the token to the other like ash is to Phoenix?
The Dead Wood is the only card available in my thinking but the suggestion has been made to have the Ent available instead. The idea is that only one of these is available to purchase, the other you can only get through activation of the card.

Thanks

Scyther
It would make more sense if the Ent was available as a standalone instead of Dead Wood because everything has to be alive before it can be dead.
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: eh pewwwp on July 01, 2010, 02:04:21 am
Quote from: harakirinosaru on July 01, 2010, 01:56:20 am
Quote from: ScytherLoL on July 01, 2010, 01:42:13 am
Quote from: Kael Hate on July 01, 2010, 01:37:38 am
Are these available as seperate cards or is one the token to the other like ash is to Phoenix?
The Dead Wood is the only card available in my thinking but the suggestion has been made to have the Ent available instead. The idea is that only one of these is available to purchase, the other you can only get through activation of the card.

Thanks

Scyther
It would make more sense if the Ent was available as a standalone instead of Dead Wood because everything has to be alive before it can be dead.
thats kinda what i meant with my post, it either goes from life to death (ent to deadwood) or rewind like mummy (death to "life")
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: ScytherLoL on July 01, 2010, 04:04:03 am
True good suggestion. Maybe I should start a poll but not really at this stage.

So far the suggestion is as follows:

1. Make Dead Wood a :death card
2. Make Ent available in Bazaar and Dead Wood not.

These I can agree with.

Thanks

Scyther
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: guy_fawkes on July 01, 2010, 07:32:04 am
nice i like this very much!!
1) ok to make it death
2)make them both available in bazaar
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: Purity_Riot on July 01, 2010, 07:40:41 am
I personally think you should have Dead Wood be left as Darkness, because it reminds me more of a haunted forest then of a decaying tree, since it's a dead Ent.

I also think that you should keep Dead Wood as the card in the bazaar, because the point of the card is to bring it back to life as an Ent. With an Ent, you're looking at "Oh, I hope it doesn't die, but at least if it does, it'll be alright"
with Dead Wood, it's more "You might think your safe in the dark of the night, but these trees come to life."

Not sure if I really made my point, but meh.
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: Belthazar666 on July 01, 2010, 07:57:38 am
To be honest, if you could play Ent without a Dead Wood out first, it wouldn't be much of a synergy.  It defeats the point, and takes away from the synergy that is trying to be created. If you can just play Ent, then revive it with life, you don't need the darkness/death quanta unless it gets rewound. I also think Dead Wood's cost should be raised a bit to balance it (Just by one, MAYBE two.).  Once it's revived, the Ent is reasonably hard to kill, and when it does die it can be revived again.
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: ScytherLoL on July 01, 2010, 09:23:15 pm
Ok so good points have been made. The original idea came from the Dark Ent, a creature that sits in the darkness it's branches outstretched waiting for a tired individual to reat beneath it's boughs, then it devours them whole, returning to it's dead tree look alike state for the next victim to cross his path. Thus the :darkness in the first card Dead Wood.

I suppose when I really think about it the Dead Wood is a much better card to start with otherwise (as stated already) the synergy may as well go out the door because you wouldn't need it, only needing :life and with that in mind it would be a little OP I would say (imagine this with Emphatic Bond you get a creature that is almost impossible to kill as it is 4|6 and then 0|6 you can convert it any time back to 4|6 losing any status changes on the way) so in saying that Ent will be unavailable in the bazaar and you will only be able to have him|her in your deck if it is rewound.

Dead Wood could do with a cost increase as above it becomes hard to kill if you have the :life in your hand to activate the ability. I assume that a single increase would be ok but if anyone has more plans then please inform me.

Thankyou for your advice on this card, I am glad it is getting somewhere as I thought it could be of use but was unsure.

Thanks

Scyther
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: JJ 52 on July 02, 2010, 02:21:14 am
Quote from: Purity_Riot on July 01, 2010, 07:40:41 am
I personally think you should have Dead Wood be left as Darkness, because it reminds me more of a haunted forest then of a decaying tree, since it's a dead Ent.

I also think that you should keep Dead Wood as the card in the bazaar, because the point of the card is to bring it back to life as an Ent. With an Ent, you're looking at "Oh, I hope it doesn't die, but at least if it does, it'll be alright"
with Dead Wood, it's more "You might think your safe in the dark of the night, but these trees come to life."

Not sure if I really made my point, but meh.
I see what your saying, makes sense to me.

I think the attack should be increased a bit though because, if it starts as Dead Wood, it would cost 6 quantum to get a creature with only 4 (or 5 upped) attack. Correct me if im wrong but, generally the attack is equal to or greater than the quantum cost. (Maybe since its only 3 of 2 seperate elements its ok, but Im not sure)

Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: ScytherLoL on July 02, 2010, 05:17:13 am
Yes the attack is low but as stated the creature is almost indestructable. Immune to Elite Oty, RoF even Thunderbolt it can last a good long time and once Ented it gets another chance to deal it out. Thus the 6 Quantum for such a low attack.

It could be something that may need to be changed but I'm not sure. Convince me...

Thanks

Scyther
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: ScytherLoL on July 05, 2010, 10:22:34 pm
SO are there any major changes I should be making to this card?

I would like to put it forward for the crucible but maybe some of the things afore mentioned should be addressed:

 1: Dead Wood being :darkness or :death

 2: Which is available as an independent card and which can you only get through playing the other? (ie Dead Wood or Ent)

 3: Is the attack too low?

 4: Is the cost about right or should it go up by 1 quanta or more?


Thanks

Scyther
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: Kael Hate on July 24, 2010, 06:34:40 pm
CURATOR COMMENT

To Get to the Crucible
- Need to decide which is the primary card and which is the token and detail it as such in the notes or if the two cards are going to be active, split the cards up into 2 topics.
- Fix the Element type of the Cards to have them written as Wrods (Note: :life means Life Quanta, not the element of Life)
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: ScytherLoL on July 25, 2010, 09:02:07 pm
Quote from: Kael Hate on July 24, 2010, 06:34:40 pm
CURATOR COMMENT

To Get to the Crucible
- Need to decide which is the primary card and which is the token and detail it as such in the notes or if the two cards are going to be active, split the cards up into 2 topics.

Have decided the active card is Dead Wood. The Ent is not available through any other means except through the Dead Wood card. It has a cost in case it is rewound.  On table.

Quote from: Kael Hate on July 24, 2010, 06:34:40 pm
- Fix the Element type of the Cards to have them written as Wrods (Note: :life means Life Quanta, not the element of Life)
Fixed Element Type now in wrods.

Thanks

Scyther
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: TheOwner on July 25, 2010, 09:06:41 pm
I like it, but it will never come close to Phoenix (sorry)
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: ScytherLoL on July 26, 2010, 12:57:51 am
Phoenix will always have an advantage being a Mono :fire creature over any Dual Quanta card. This helps with Darkness | Life combos and is designed to sit in a Dual Deck.

Thanks

Scyther
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: GG on July 26, 2010, 04:51:16 am
kinda similar to phoenix, especially if you're gonna follow the suggestions above (making ent a standalone card and wood not)

but i agree with them that dead wood should definitely be a :death card, to benefit from death effects of the creatures.

also try lowering the HP of ent so that it dies easily.



and lastly, could u remove the 'elite' prefix in elite dead wood? i just can't stand thinking about a forest that is 'elite'. make it something like... corrupted wood, forsaken wood, etc....
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: DRROXO on July 26, 2010, 04:57:24 am
eh dont think its too good
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: LeetSkillz on July 26, 2010, 05:10:29 am
Might be a bit more unique if you put some passive on dead wood, so that you might want to keep it instead of reviving.
Title: Re: Dead Wood | Elite Dead Wood
Post by: Kael Hate on July 26, 2010, 01:11:03 pm
Quote from: ScytherLoL on July 25, 2010, 09:02:07 pm
Quote from: Kael Hate on July 24, 2010, 06:34:40 pm
- Fix the Element type of the Cards to have them written as Wrods (Note: :life means Life Quanta, not the element of Life)
Fixed Element Type now in wrods.
Smartass.

Now in the crucible.
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