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Dark Pact | Shadow Pact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40132.msg497971#msg497971
« on: May 14, 2012, 01:42:26 am »
NAME:
Dark Pact
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
0
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Decrease your max HP by 5.  Target creature gains +1 | -2 and Assassin.  It may kill creatures it interacts with.
NAME:
Shadow Pact
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
0
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Decrease your max HP by 5.  Target creature gains +2 | -1 and Assassin.  It may kill creatures it interacts with.

ART:
Kamietsu
IDEA:
Drake_XIV
NOTES:
By interacts, it means:
- Is targeted by a creature's ability
- Targets a creature with its ability
- Is attacked when hit with Gravity Pull
- Attacks a creature with Gravity Pull

The chance is given by [AA+1]/THP where AA is the Attack of the creature with Assassin and THP is the Health of the creature it is interacting with.
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Re: Dark Pact | Shadow Pact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40132.msg497976#msg497976
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2012, 01:54:28 am »
"The chance is given by [AA+1]/THP where AA is the Attack of the creature with Assassin and THP is the Health of the creature it is interacting with."

That means, for example, 1 attack creature hitting a DP'd armagio with gravity pull a 1/25 chance? I think it's quite low.

I like the idea a lot anyways.
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Re: Dark Pact | Shadow Pact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40132.msg497978#msg497978
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2012, 02:01:09 am »
"The chance is given by [AA+1]/THP where AA is the Attack of the creature with Assassin and THP is the Health of the creature it is interacting with."

That means, for example, 1 attack creature hitting a DP'd armagio with gravity pull a 1/25 chance? I think it's quite low.

I like the idea a lot anyways.
No, it'd be 3/HP of the attacking creature [Armagio has base 1 ATT + 1 from DP + 1 from equation].

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Re: Dark Pact | Shadow Pact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40132.msg497979#msg497979
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2012, 02:04:25 am »
"The chance is given by [AA+1]/THP where AA is the Attack of the creature with Assassin and THP is the Health of the creature it is interacting with."
That means, for example, 1 attack creature hitting a DP'd armagio with gravity pull a 1/25 chance? I think it's quite low.
I like the idea a lot anyways.
No, it'd be 3/HP of the attacking creature [Armagio has base 1 ATT + 1 from DP + 1 from equation].
Oh sorry. Then there are combinations that leave chance>1...
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Re: Dark Pact | Shadow Pact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40132.msg497980#msg497980
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2012, 02:08:21 am »
Yes, but unless I'm forgetting something, all creatures that have a targeting ability have extremely low Attack.  In any case, it is still subject to balancing.

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Re: Dark Pact | Shadow Pact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40132.msg498097#msg498097
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2012, 07:39:44 am »
If you are describing 'Assain' by 'May kill creatures it interacts with', put a colon ( : ) instead of a full stop ( . ).

Cool card, slightly more balanced than some of the other pact ones.
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Re: Dark Pact | Shadow Pact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40132.msg498722#msg498722
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2012, 01:07:55 pm »
Yes, but unless I'm forgetting something, all creatures that have a targeting ability have extremely low Attack.  In any case, it is still subject to balancing.
You are right about the targeting, just missing the rare (possible bug) of BE+buff+buff+buff, and new ingame cards may requiere a change in this one too.

The easiest way to make a 0>probability<1 is to make a A/(A+B) formula, with A and B in module because of antimatter and stuff.
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Re: Dark Pact | Shadow Pact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40132.msg500236#msg500236
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Re: Dark Pact | Shadow Pact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40132.msg525038#msg525038
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2012, 05:16:21 pm »
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Re: Dark Pact | Shadow Pact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40132.msg525054#msg525054
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2012, 06:37:09 pm »
Cool card indeed. I was looking at  :light and :time Pacts and they weren't very inspiring, but this one has charisma.

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Re: Dark Pact | Shadow Pact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40132.msg525057#msg525057
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2012, 06:42:21 pm »
Yeah, this is probably the best of the current pacts.  I may have pumped those out too quickly a few months ago, so I'm working on making them more viable to complete the series well.

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Re: Dark Pact | Shadow Pact https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40132.msg525345#msg525345
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 03:09:45 pm »
The idea is interesting, there are three main candidates for the card, all of which might be a bit too powerful in terms of CC. Eclipse Parasite Upped, Flying Lobotomizer Either, and Flying Owls Eye Either.

All of these have at least 5 Atk, with the pact being no cost flying owls eye is a mono unupped.

With the formula for killing as it is at Atk+1 / Hp of creature, and that it adds +1 or +2 Atk, we come up with instantly killing any creature of up to 7 Hp in Unupped, and 8 in Upped. And even up to 12 or so HP, which is the Max Hp of the highest non-gravity creature in the game, it kills about 2/3rds of the time.

The primary downside is that this always requires at least a 3 card combo to pull off optimally, and that it is extremely fragile (In upped killing the eclipse actually kills otherwise unbuffed parasites, and the others involve flown weapons which reverse time nukes to hell and back). I'm not sure on my judgment one way or the other, just felt like throwing the numbers out there for kill chances.

On a side note, this does allow for Mono-Time neurotoxin decks Upped.

 

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