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« on: April 24, 2011, 08:24:37 pm »
NAME:
Vengeful Spirit
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
:darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|2
TEXT:
:darkness :darkness Corrupt:Target creature is
Corrupted. If target creature
dies, owner recieves damage
equal to its attack.
Vengeful Spirit is destroyed.
NAME:
Vengeful Specter
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
:darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|4
TEXT:
:darkness :darkness Corrupt:Target creature is
Corrupted. If target creature
dies, owner recieves damage
equal to its attack.
Vengeful Specter is destroyed.
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NOTES:
Vengeful spirit dies upon skill activation.
I figured it would go well with any CC deck.
basically, i use this on an enemy black dragon, that has 10 attack.
I use this on it and then kill it with a spell (drain, firebolt whatever)
10 damage is dealt to owner = 10 damage to opponent.
If there was an eclipse on field, the black dragon would have 12 attack, so 12 damage is dealt.
whatever the attack of creature is at that moment, damage is dealt equal to it.
any comments or suggestions are welcome.
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Re: Vengeful Spirit | Vengeful Specter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25024.msg319044#msg319044
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2011, 08:38:01 pm »
I think it's pretty useless, as you need an enemy with a high attak creature, this card AND a "creature killer" just to deal some damage only once. Btw, nice art.
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Re: Vengeful Spirit | Vengeful Specter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25024.msg319056#msg319056
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2011, 08:46:44 pm »
Nice with Rage Potion.
I am worried that it might not be worth much because it requires 2 cards plus their casting costs in order to kill the creature and damage the opponent. Only card advantage efficient CC cards would be worth it.
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Re: Vengeful Spirit | Vengeful Specter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25024.msg319066#msg319066
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2011, 08:50:20 pm »
I think it's pretty useless, as you need an enemy with a high attak creature, this card AND a "creature killer" just to deal some damage only once. Btw, nice art.
thanks on the art comment.

Its not useless when you're dealing with a row of mid-high attack creatures.
remember, there are loads of decks with acceleration and blessing strategies, and other attack boosters.
plus there are a considerable amunt of high attack creatures in the game.
its far from useless, perhaps a tad bit situational, but when used properly, it could come in handy.

Nice with Rage Potion.
I am worried that it might not be worth much because it requires 2 cards plus their casting costs in order to kill the creature and damage the opponent. Only card advantage efficient CC cards would be worth it.
think about the nymphs, they have some expensive abilities and playing costs, this is nothing compared to the nymphs.

turquoise nymph = 11 cost
this upped = 4 cost

or are you saying its cheap?

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Re: Vengeful Spirit | Vengeful Specter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25024.msg319071#msg319071
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2011, 08:54:43 pm »
Nice with Rage Potion.
I am worried that it might not be worth much because it requires 2 cards plus their casting costs in order to kill the creature and damage the opponent. Only card advantage efficient CC cards would be worth it.
think about the nymphs, they have some expensive abilities and playing costs, this is nothing compared to the nymphs.
Balanced is cheap/expensive compared to nymphs.

I was pointing out that it had a more limited usage than it first appears. The bolts and lighting are not good synergies with it. Nor are AoE effects. Infection, Devour, Snipe and CC shields have good synergy with it though.

Of course Rage Potion and Red Nymph love this card. :)
Rage Potion + Vengeful Spirit vs Black Dragon = Dead Dragon, 15 player damage for 5 :darkness +3 :fire (20 damage vs Ruby Dragon)
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Re: Vengeful Spirit | Vengeful Specter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25024.msg319078#msg319078
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2011, 09:00:44 pm »
Nice with Rage Potion.
I am worried that it might not be worth much because it requires 2 cards plus their casting costs in order to kill the creature and damage the opponent. Only card advantage efficient CC cards would be worth it.
think about the nymphs, they have some expensive abilities and playing costs, this is nothing compared to the nymphs.
Balanced is cheap/expensive compared to nymphs.

I was pointing out that it had a more limited usage than it first appears. The bolts and lighting are not good synergies with it. Nor are AoE effects. Infection, Devour, Snipe and CC shields have good synergy with it though.

Of course Rage Potion and Red Nymph love this card. :)
Rage Potion + Vengeful Spirit vs Black Dragon = Dead Dragon, 15 player damage for 5 :darkness +3 :fire
I'm a little concerned with Airblitz though, imagine wyrm coming at me with 24 damage airblitz, inflicted with corrupt and i happen to have a fire shield or it happens to be poisoned and it dies. instant 24 damage = massive advantage or even death when opponent hp is below that number.
though is that too situational?

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Re: Vengeful Spirit | Vengeful Specter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25024.msg319082#msg319082
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2011, 09:03:46 pm »
Nice with Rage Potion.
I am worried that it might not be worth much because it requires 2 cards plus their casting costs in order to kill the creature and damage the opponent. Only card advantage efficient CC cards would be worth it.
think about the nymphs, they have some expensive abilities and playing costs, this is nothing compared to the nymphs.
Balanced is cheap/expensive compared to nymphs.

I was pointing out that it had a more limited usage than it first appears. The bolts and lighting are not good synergies with it. Nor are AoE effects. Infection, Devour, Snipe and CC shields have good synergy with it though.

Of course Rage Potion and Red Nymph love this card. :)
Rage Potion + Vengeful Spirit vs Black Dragon = Dead Dragon, 15 player damage for 5 :darkness +3 :fire
I'm a little concerned with Airblitz though, imagine wyrm coming at me with 24 damage airblitz, inflicted with corrupt and i happen to have a fire shield or it happens to be poisoned and it dies. instant 24 damage = massive advantage or even death when opponent hp is below that number.
though is that too situational?
If they Skyblitz a corrupted airborne on the verge of death against a CC shield/infection either they made an avoidable mistake or it was worth it from their point of view.
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Re: Vengeful Spirit | Vengeful Specter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25024.msg319101#msg319101
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2011, 09:20:08 pm »
Nice with Rage Potion.
I am worried that it might not be worth much because it requires 2 cards plus their casting costs in order to kill the creature and damage the opponent. Only card advantage efficient CC cards would be worth it.
think about the nymphs, they have some expensive abilities and playing costs, this is nothing compared to the nymphs.
Balanced is cheap/expensive compared to nymphs.

I was pointing out that it had a more limited usage than it first appears. The bolts and lighting are not good synergies with it. Nor are AoE effects. Infection, Devour, Snipe and CC shields have good synergy with it though.

Of course Rage Potion and Red Nymph love this card. :)
Rage Potion + Vengeful Spirit vs Black Dragon = Dead Dragon, 15 player damage for 5 :darkness +3 :fire
I'm a little concerned with Airblitz though, imagine wyrm coming at me with 24 damage airblitz, inflicted with corrupt and i happen to have a fire shield or it happens to be poisoned and it dies. instant 24 damage = massive advantage or even death when opponent hp is below that number.
though is that too situational?
If they Skyblitz a corrupted airborne on the verge of death against a CC shield/infection either they made an avoidable mistake or it was worth it from their point of view.
so is the card op or too cheap/expensive?

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Re: Vengeful Spirit | Vengeful Specter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25024.msg319107#msg319107
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2011, 09:27:59 pm »
The card appears balanced within +/-1 quanta (Casting cost not activation cost of course)
It is less useful than it appears but it appears very useful so after examination it is still useful.
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Re: Vengeful Spirit | Vengeful Specter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25024.msg319109#msg319109
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2011, 09:31:17 pm »
The card appears balanced within +/-1 quanta (Casting cost not activation cost of course)
It is less useful than it appears but it appears very useful so after examination it is still useful.
i see, you mean in the sense that it is slightly situational when it comes to enemy high attack creatures at the same time being compatible with quanta production.
Hmm, but with Rage potion, acceleration and nymph, that doesnt really matter  :P

IN fact!, anti-matter = healing!
negative attacks heal!
same would apply with this i suppose.

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Re: Vengeful Spirit | Vengeful Specter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25024.msg319350#msg319350
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2011, 03:16:44 am »
sorry for double post. bump.
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Re: Vengeful Spirit | Vengeful Specter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25024.msg319572#msg319572
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2011, 03:04:33 pm »
I like this one. I'd definitely use it. CC  + this = kill  :)
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