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Re: Cymothoa | Cymothoa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42197.msg527276#msg527276
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2012, 06:16:03 am »
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Re: Cymothoa | Cymothoa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42197.msg527292#msg527292
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2012, 06:55:53 am »
I like it. The damage is balanced. The interesting thing about this card is that it can't be effected by enemy's mass CC (except pandemonium), but you can't use much mass CC yourself.


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Re: Cymothoa | Cymothoa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42197.msg527541#msg527541
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2012, 03:10:14 am »
CURATOR COMMENT

This card will not be permitted to the Crucible due to one ore more of the following errors:

  • 'water' must be capitalized in the ELEMENT section of the non-upgraded table


Correct these errors as soon as possible and feel free to submit it again when ready.

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Re: Cymothoa | Cymothoa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42197.msg527545#msg527545
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2012, 03:14:49 am »
D'oh fail. Resubmittin;

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Re: Cymothoa | Cymothoa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42197.msg529866#msg529866
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2012, 09:00:24 pm »
Why isn't the old version in the notes?

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Re: Cymothoa | Cymothoa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42197.msg529868#msg529868
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2012, 09:12:15 pm »
Testing to see how much cards opponent plays in the first 7 turns. (blanks are because I got lazy or forgot)

1: 3   3   4   4   4   2   1
2: 0   1   1   2   1   1   2
3: 2   1   1   1   2   1   1
4: 1   2   1   2   1   1   1
5: 2   2   1   1   1   1   1
6: 1   1   1   0   2   1   1
7: 1   0      1   2      0

Averages are 1.43, 1.43, 1.5, 1.57, 1, and 1. So the total average is 1.32. So averagely a cymothoa is a 3.96, roughly 4 momentum'd attacker.

BUT

It is absolutely impossible to get out cymothoa in the first turn unupped. It's possible to get it out second turn, but impossible to get it out first turn (unless you get 2 novas, 2 photons, 2 immolations, and a cymothoa), so the first turn should be discarded.

New averages are 1.17, 1.17, 1, 1, 1.5, 1, and 1. New total average is 1.12. Averagely, a cymothoa does 3.36 momentum'd damage in the first 7 turns of the game, making it slightly better than blue crawler, but not as good as toadfish.

With 4 water towers or upped water pendulums this can come out first turn. Mix and match with 1 or 2 novas. 4 Pillars / pendulums first turn is a little on the high side, but not that uncommon.
Alternately, if you win the coin flip, silence can work as a stall in an upped deck as well... then you stall them from playing cards till these can come out.
Still, I dont think its that highly OP with fractal...
Is the damage considered spell damage btw? If so, then mirror / jade shield is a viable counter... I actually think these shields tend to be underplayed and could use a little more love so that would be a good think in my opinion.
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Re: Cymothoa | Cymothoa https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42197.msg529880#msg529880
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2012, 10:32:39 pm »
Still, getting 4 :water first turn is pretty difficult, and that'd probably only happen if you won the coin toss and built a deck just based on this. I don't see how thematically spell damage would fit. It's just direct damage, unaffected by shields, like catapult.

 

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