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Re: Cursed Mirror | Cursed Mirror https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33202.msg419264#msg419264
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2011, 04:27:33 am »
cost evaluation needed in thread http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33202.msg448325#msg448325
Cursed Mirror / Mirror Demon has two True Casting Costs

1) Cursed Mirror + Lethal CC
2) Mirror Demon (from Fractal or RT)

The two methods should have approximately the same total cost. Therefore
Quanta Casting Cost of Cursed Mirror + Quanta Casting Cost of Lethal CC + 1 = Quanta Casting Cost of Mirror Demon

Mirror Demon deserves a Quanta Casting Cost of 8 :darkness|6 :darkness
In Element Lethal CC would be Drain Life with a Quanta Casting Cost of 3 :darkness|1 :darkness
Out of Element Lethal CC would be Lightning with a Quanta Casting Cost of 2 :aether|1 :aether (requiring a second element acts as an additional +1 cost)
Therefore Cursed Mirror should cost about 5 :darkness|5 :darkness.

Now Cursed Mirror's stats are insufficient for a creature with a 5 :darkness|4 :darkness casting cost. I would suggest the Cursed Mirror have 3 attack or an activated skill of equivalent worth.

Alternatively if the Mirror Demon only had 6 attack, Cursed Mirror would be balanced at 3 :darkness|2 :darkness for 1|4 stats.
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Re: Cursed Mirror | Cursed Mirror https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33202.msg419268#msg419268
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2011, 05:02:04 am »
Mirror demon is cheap because i forgot fractal, I had it as the same cost because I figured that ash was so this should be too, i will change that as soon as possible though

cost evaluation needed in thread http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33202.msg448325#msg448325
Cursed Mirror / Mirror Demon has two True Casting Costs

1) Cursed Mirror + Lethal CC
2) Mirror Demon (from Fractal or RT)

The two methods should have approximately the same total cost. Therefore
Quanta Casting Cost of Cursed Mirror + Quanta Casting Cost of Lethal CC + 1 = Quanta Casting Cost of Mirror Demon

Mirror Demon deserves a Quanta Casting Cost of 8 :darkness|6 :darkness
In Element Lethal CC would be Drain Life with a Quanta Casting Cost of 3 :darkness|1 :darkness
Out of Element Lethal CC would be Lightning with a Quanta Casting Cost of 2 :aether|1 :aether (requiring a second element acts as an additional +1 cost)
Therefore Cursed Mirror should cost about 5 :darkness|5 :darkness.

Now Cursed Mirror's stats are insufficient for a creature with a 5 :darkness|4 :darkness casting cost. I would suggest the Cursed Mirror have 3 attack or an activated skill of equivalent worth.

Alternatively if the Mirror Demon only had 6 attack, Cursed Mirror would be balanced at 3 :darkness|2 :darkness for 1|4 stats.
Really dont want cursed mirror to have attack, however perhaps some kind of skill which would allow it to take damage? maybe for  :darkness: put an infect counter on it? then i would have to Increase the health or something, perhaps cost 4 | 3, stats 0 | 5, 1  darkness can put a poison counter on it and when it dies turn into mirror demon which is 7 | 6 for 7  :darkness



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Re: Cursed Mirror | Cursed Mirror https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33202.msg419269#msg419269
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2011, 05:05:11 am »
The skill added should have a purpose beyond killing the mirror. In fact, it would be best if the skill could not kill the mirror.
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Re: Cursed Mirror | Cursed Mirror https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33202.msg419270#msg419270
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2011, 05:07:54 am »
hmm, what do you suggest then?
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Re: Cursed Mirror | Cursed Mirror https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33202.msg419274#msg419274
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2011, 05:20:14 am »
hmm, what do you suggest then?
you're the author.
Just make it an ability that does not kill Cursed Mirror, is worth the equivalent of 3 :darkness and might make the opponent want to kill Cursed Mirror.
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Re: Cursed Mirror | Cursed Mirror https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33202.msg419275#msg419275
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2011, 05:30:17 am »
Interesting thought, maybe i could up the cost and give it, X  :darkness create a daughter creature of target creature where X is the creatures cost

hmm, maybe that would be a bit op...
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Re: Cursed Mirror | Cursed Mirror https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33202.msg419276#msg419276
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2011, 05:33:11 am »
Interesting thought, maybe i could up the cost and give it, X  :darkness create a daughter creature of target creature where X is the creatures cost

hmm, maybe that would be a bit op...
That would probably be too ambitious. Not to mention X costs don't work in EtG at this time.
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Re: Cursed Mirror | Cursed Mirror https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33202.msg419277#msg419277
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2011, 05:37:55 am »
I suppose

Id like it to be something to do with creating copys of stuff though as its a mirror...

Hmm, interesting thought, perhaps give it the ability to destroy creatures, then when the opponent destroys it, each creature returns to its owners control.

What should this cost though...
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Re: Cursed Mirror | Cursed Mirror https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33202.msg419280#msg419280
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2011, 05:41:14 am »
I suppose

Id like it to be something to do with creating copys of stuff though as its a mirror...

Hmm, interesting thought, perhaps give it the ability to destroy creatures, then when the opponent destroys it, each creature returns to its owners control.

What should this cost though...
The is no grave. There never will be a grave. (paraphrased from Zanz)
Additionally, "destroy target creature" is worth much more than 3 :darkness.
Remember that a single quint would protect the ability even in the face of Spine Carapace.
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Re: Cursed Mirror | Cursed Mirror https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33202.msg419284#msg419284
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2011, 05:48:06 am »
I suppose

Id like it to be something to do with creating copys of stuff though as its a mirror...

Hmm, interesting thought, perhaps give it the ability to destroy creatures, then when the opponent destroys it, each creature returns to its owners control.

What should this cost though...
The is no grave. There never will be a grave. (paraphrased from Zanz)
Additionally, "destroy target creature" is worth much more than 3 :darkness.
Remember that a single quint would protect the ability even in the face of Spine Carapace.
aah damn, well scratch that idea then.

maybe it can damage your opponents creatures in some way, perhaps drain 1 health of target creature for 1  :darkness?

balanced?
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Re: Cursed Mirror | Cursed Mirror https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33202.msg419285#msg419285
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2011, 05:50:14 am »
I suppose

Id like it to be something to do with creating copys of stuff though as its a mirror...

Hmm, interesting thought, perhaps give it the ability to destroy creatures, then when the opponent destroys it, each creature returns to its owners control.

What should this cost though...
The is no grave. There never will be a grave. (paraphrased from Zanz)
Additionally, "destroy target creature" is worth much more than 3 :darkness.
Remember that a single quint would protect the ability even in the face of Spine Carapace.
aah damn, well scratch that idea then.

maybe it can damage your opponents creatures in some way, perhaps drain 1 health of target creature for 1  :darkness?

balanced?
Worth a shot. It seems balanced off hand.
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Re: Cursed Mirror | Cursed Mirror https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33202.msg419289#msg419289
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2011, 05:57:34 am »
Done!

Think its ready to be submitted?
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