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Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg526374#msg526374
« on: July 27, 2012, 07:51:07 pm »
NAME:
Compact Guard
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
3 :gravity
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Shield : Can go into either player's shield slot. The first attack instead focuses quanta into the pool of your mark.
NAME:
Focus Buckler
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
2 :gravity
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Shield : Can go into either player's shield slot. The first attack instead focuses quanta into the pool of your mark.

ART:
Zblader (originally from: http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1116812)
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
A shield that lets Gravity get rid of more annoying shields. Faced with Dim Shields? Put this shield over them instead. Facing a Rainbow? Force your opponent to deal with his quanta being siphoned into 1 pool.

The shield's defensive effect is sort of like the opposite of Discord - the first creature's attack will be negated, and them X of the owner's random quanta will be converted into X quantum, where X = The creature's attack.
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NAME:
Focus Guard
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
3 :gravity
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Shield : Can go into either player's shield slot. The first attack instead focuses quanta into the pool of your mark.
NAME:
Singularity Buckler
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
2 :gravity
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Shield : Can go into either player's shield slot. The first attack instead focuses quanta into the pool of your mark.

ART:
Zblader (originally from: http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1116812)
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
A shield that lets Gravity get rid of more annoying shields. Faced with Dim Shields? Put this shield over them instead. Facing a Rainbow? Force your opponent to deal with his quanta being siphoned into 1 pool.

The shield's defensive effect is sort of like the opposite of Discord - the first creature's attack will be negated, and them 10 of the owner's random quanta will be converted into 10 quantum
SERIES:

« Last Edit: August 01, 2012, 01:48:23 pm by Zblader »

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Re: Focus Guard | Singularity Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg526405#msg526405
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2012, 08:31:07 pm »
It like the illegitimate child of discord and dissipation field... in reverse. Kinky, but I like it.
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Re: Focus Guard | Singularity Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg526434#msg526434
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2012, 09:17:21 pm »
I like it... seems like it may need a cost increase of oneish, but that's just my opinion. I like how you can choose which player's shield slot it goes in, which is able to disrupt two primary types of decks: Shield stalls and Rainbows. Good job.

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Re: Focus Guard | Singularity Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg527658#msg527658
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 03:05:44 pm »
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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg528082#msg528082
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2012, 12:46:01 am »
It occurs to me that this shield will always block the creature in the highest priority slot...
As shield control / manipulation potential is really cool and original, but as damage prevention / scrambling effect its a little meh...
It would benefit greatly from a means of moving creatures around the field. If you could control what creatures attack first then this would be quite powerful.
All in all though I'm really liking this card.
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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg528113#msg528113
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2012, 03:13:12 am »
It occurs to me that this shield will always block the creature in the highest priority slot...
As shield control / manipulation potential is really cool and original, but as damage prevention / scrambling effect its a little meh...
It would benefit greatly from a means of moving creatures around the field. If you could control what creatures attack first then this would be quite powerful.
All in all though I'm really liking this card.

A shield with a targeting active ability? Blasphemy!

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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg528144#msg528144
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2012, 06:37:36 am »
It occurs to me that this shield will always block the creature in the highest priority slot...
As shield control / manipulation potential is really cool and original, but as damage prevention / scrambling effect its a little meh...
It would benefit greatly from a means of moving creatures around the field. If you could control what creatures attack first then this would be quite powerful.
All in all though I'm really liking this card.

A shield with a targeting active ability? Blasphemy!

But not impossible... I think. Anyways, it would probably be better to introduce another card with that effect, something that already has been suggested.

I like this card. The first effect seems more prominent than the second, but they are both great.  :D
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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg528591#msg528591
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2012, 06:30:47 pm »
"[...] into the pool of your mark". Well that sounds like it's the mark of the one who played it.

Other than that, i'd increase the cost by 1 at least because:
-It would be the one card able to break unbreakable shields, which then benefits all your creatures and spells;
-Some decks have a mark they use only for a couple quanta, like Shrieker rushes (time mark). Rainbow decks, too. That would basically mean "deplete the enemy of all his actually useful quanta".

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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg528594#msg528594
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2012, 06:49:08 pm »
Once I understood the card idea, two things struck me:
  • This is REALLY COOL
  • This would be really, really, really hard to balance.

The second point is probably more concerning.  Even Discord loses efficacy after a few turns, without Black Holes to support it; this shield is a one-time "you are in deep, deep trouble" to Rainbow decks and shield-reliant decks (mono-aether, Hope, reflection)...  But it doesn't seem to be as useful otherwise.

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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg528617#msg528617
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2012, 07:42:27 pm »
"[...] into the pool of your mark". Well that sounds like it's the mark of the one who played it. For clarification - it is the mark of the wielder of the shield.

Other than that, i'd increase the cost by 1 at least because:
-It would be the one card able to break unbreakable shields, which then benefits all your creatures and spells; Which Gravity already sort of has with Momentum. I don't find it much of a stretch for Gravity to get a shield that would simply displace the previous one by 'pushing' it aside.
-Some decks have a mark they use only for a couple quanta, like Shrieker rushes (time mark). Rainbow decks, too. That would basically mean "deplete the enemy of all his actually useful quanta".That is a valid concern for mark-based decks that don't have pillars to support the mark (not as likely for rainbows and they'll probably outproduce the shield over time), though I am not 100% sure if +1 cost will compensate for it (it will notably slow the deployment of the shield, though).

Once I understood the card idea, two things struck me:
  • This is REALLY COOL Thanks! :)
  • This would be really, really, really hard to balance. Unfortunately, yes. ^^;


The second point is probably more concerning.  Even Discord loses efficacy after a few turns, without Black Holes to support it; this shield is a one-time "you are in deep, deep trouble" to Rainbow decks and shield-reliant decks (mono-aether, Hope, reflection)...  But it doesn't seem to be as useful otherwise. Rainbows aren't as deeply impacted, since they're already overly useful in the game and enough Quantum Pillars will outproduce Compact Guard over time, much like how a mono can eventually outproduce Discord.  My main concern is how to balance this against mark-reliant non-rainbows like the above mentioned Shrieker Rush.

I'll mess around with the idea a bit and see what I come up with regarding this balance issue. In the meantime, feel free to post suggestions and thoughts.

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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg529100#msg529100
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2012, 03:02:32 am »
One idea; why not split the ideas into 2 cards? Have one card that focuses on giving your opponent a shield, another that focuses on this shield' effect. I might make it easier to balance.

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Re: Compact Guard | Focus Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42305.msg529102#msg529102
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2012, 03:07:24 am »
I don't like how similar this is to dissipation.

 

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