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Claíomh Solais | Claíomh Solais https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44155.msg1008893#msg1008893
« on: October 18, 2012, 10:27:48 am »
NAME:
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ELEMENT:
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COST:
1 :light
TYPE:
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ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
Weapon: deal 3 damage + N. N is the number of your light emitting creatures.
NAME:
Claíomh Solais
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
1 :light
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Permanent
ATK|HP:
4 | 3
TEXT:
Weapon: deal 3 damage + N. N is the number of your light emitting creatures.

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The idea was to give luciferin|Fractal Rol|FFQ|decks or light emitting creatures in general, a damaging synergy(wich they need IMO), at a cheap cost, wich is rarely seen in :light decks.
Unupgraded flying Claíomh Solais stats are 3|3.
Upgraded Flying  Claíomh Solais stats are 4|3.
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Re: Claíomh Solais | Claíomh Solais https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44155.msg1008903#msg1008903
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 11:13:49 am »
Way overpowered when combined with fractal/RoL.. Maybe N = number of light emitting creatures divided by 2?
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Re: Claíomh Solais | Claíomh Solais https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44155.msg1008904#msg1008904
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2012, 11:16:58 am »
Way overpowered when combined with fractal/RoL.. Maybe N = number of light emitting creatures divided by 2?
WAY overpowered? Consider fahrenheit, mono.
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Re: Claíomh Solais | Claíomh Solais https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44155.msg1008905#msg1008905
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2012, 11:24:39 am »
Now Fire-Stall-ish Light-Aether stall here.
This + RoL + Fractal + Hope + (Optional Sanc)
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Re: Claíomh Solais | Claíomh Solais https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44155.msg1008908#msg1008908
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2012, 11:34:33 am »
Now Fire-Stall-ish Light-Aether stall here.
This + RoL + Fractal + Hope + (Optional Sanc)
Yes, not more powerful than the combination with the dragoons in terms of effectiveness/ efficiency.
Remember that you'll need also 5 AW and so you'll have 5 creatures(spaces) less to pump up the weapon and more cards to perform the combo.
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Re: Claíomh Solais | Claíomh Solais https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44155.msg1008930#msg1008930
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2012, 02:11:15 pm »


Claioh Solais + 1 RoL + Fractal (with empty hand) = 1 :light + 9 :aether = 10 :underworld for 12 damage per turn.
Fahrenheit + 10  :fire = 7 damage per turn

Just looking at the quanta alone, Claioh is MUCH more powerful. The claim that this is acceptable because it requires a duo is a dubious claim at best in my opinion; with RoL as your quanta producer, and fractal to produce them, an  :aether :light duo deck plays more like a mono, particularly with Solais' low cost.

The BIGGEST problem though is animate weapon and crusaders. Consider the following deck.

5 AW
6 Claioh Solais
6 Crusaders
6 RoL
1 Hope
3 Fractal
~8 Aether Towers
Mark of Aether

Just an example, obviously not optimal, but you get the picture. With RoL/Fractal, you can acquire a lot of light counters very quickly, around 15 at least with 2 fractals. With so many RoL in play,  :light quanta is not an issue, there would be plenty to play hope, crusaders, and Solais'.

So let's say there's 15 light counters. That's an immaterial shield that blocks 15 damage, a weapon that deals 19 damage (several of which are already on the field due to AW), at least a few crusaders endowed with said weapon, dealing 22 damage, and 15 RoL's dealing 1 damage each. That's a total of 15 damage mitigation and at least over 100 damage per turn.

Overpowered.

Best way to fix it? Change the effect to "N = number of light emitting creatures divided by 2" is a good start. I considered suggesting that Solais be made immaterial like morning glory, that way it can't be targeted by crusaders, but I think it'd be better to leave the weapon vulnerable to PC. A cost upgrade might be in order, but I doubt it'd matter much considering you'd have an abundance of  :light quanta.
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Re: Claíomh Solais | Claíomh Solais https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44155.msg1008932#msg1008932
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2012, 02:25:56 pm »
Stupid counter-argument removed.
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Re: Claíomh Solais | Claíomh Solais https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44155.msg1008933#msg1008933
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2012, 02:29:13 pm »


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Claioh Solais + 1 RoL + Fractal (with empty hand) = 1 :light + 9 :aether = 10 :underworld for 12 damage per turn.
Fahrenheit + 10  :fire = 7 damage per turn

Just looking at the quanta alone, Claioh is MUCH more powerful. The claim that this is acceptable because it requires a duo is a dubious claim at best in my opinion; with RoL as your quanta producer, and fractal to produce them, an  :aether :light duo deck plays more like a mono, particularly with Solais' low cost.

The BIGGEST problem though is animate weapon and crusaders. Consider the following deck.

5 AW
6 Claioh Solais
6 Crusaders
6 RoL
1 Hope
3 Fractal
~8 Aether Towers
Mark of Aether

Just an example, obviously not optimal, but you get the picture. With RoL/Fractal, you can acquire a lot of light counters very quickly, around 15 at least with 2 fractals. With so many RoL in play,  :light quanta is not an issue, there would be plenty to play hope, crusaders, and Solais'.

So let's say there's 15 light counters. That's an immaterial shield that blocks 15 damage, a weapon that deals 19 damage (several of which are already on the field due to AW), at least a few crusaders endowed with said weapon, dealing 22 damage, and 15 RoL's dealing 1 damage each. That's a total of 15 damage mitigation and at least over 100 damage per turn.

Overpowered.

Best way to fix it? Change the effect to "N = number of light emitting creatures divided by 2" is a good start. I considered suggesting that Solais be made immaterial like morning glory, that way it can't be targeted by crusaders, but I think it'd be better to leave the weapon vulnerable to PC. A cost upgrade might be in order, but I doubt it'd matter much considering you'd have an abundance of  :light quanta.
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Overpowered 'cause i can do over 100 damage per turn having played 6 photons, 1 fractal(or 1 photon 2 fractal), 2 buffed crusaders(so 1 more turn for each one to use its ability), 6 Claíomh Solais and 5 AW, withou counting pends/pillars distribution and light accumulation?
I suppose that playing 6 light dragoons + something like15 photons + 1 morning glory<<(classic Fractal/RoL/Hope/Dragoons deck[VERY EASIER/FASTER that the one quoted before]) and dealing 95 damage per turn is OP then?
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Re: Claíomh Solais | Claíomh Solais https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44155.msg1008951#msg1008951
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2012, 03:53:55 pm »
The card image is really blurry, I could probably sharpen it for you if you sent me the original :3
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Re: Claíomh Solais | Claíomh Solais https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44155.msg1008953#msg1008953
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2012, 03:58:31 pm »
The card image is really blurry, I could probably sharpen it for you if you sent me the original :3
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Re: Claíomh Solais | Claíomh Solais https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44155.msg1009018#msg1009018
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2012, 11:14:27 pm »
The card image is really blurry, I could probably sharpen it for you if you sent me the original :3
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http://imageplay.net/img/tya22288823/torcia_2.jpg
Can you manage fixing it with this size?
I've found a large version of the image you've posted. It should be much more clear when uploaded on the card.
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A few nitpicks:
"ART" should link the direct sxc.hu page for the image, not just http://www.sxc.hu/ .
"IDEA" should be by THEACCUSO.

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Re: Claíomh Solais | Claíomh Solais https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44155.msg1009093#msg1009093
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2012, 07:40:40 am »
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The card image is really blurry, I could probably sharpen it for you if you sent me the original :3
thank you dd very kind
http://imageplay.net/img/tya22288823/torcia_2.jpg
Can you manage fixing it with this size?
I've found a large version of the image you've posted. It should be much more clear when uploaded on the card.
Spoiler for Hidden:

A few nitpicks:
"ART" should link the direct sxc.hu page for the image, not just http://www.sxc.hu/ .
"IDEA" should be by THEACCUSO.

Someone did an elementshifted version of this for Pests : Despair | Despair.
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Ty for the image, i apprecieted.
I'll fix the stuff now.
Well, that's kinda a different card, also very situational but thank you for feedback.
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