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Capacitor | Capacitor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35656.msg448658#msg448658
« on: January 13, 2012, 08:25:34 am »
NAME:
Capacitor
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
1 :aether
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Quanta generation is doubled and stored in Capacitor.
0 : Discharge (destroy self)
Release all stored quanta.
NAME:
Capacitor
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
1
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Quanta generation is doubled and stored in Capacitor.
0 : Discharge (destroy self)
Release all stored quanta.
ART:
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IDEA:
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NOTES:
All quanta you generate is doubled. All quanta you generate, instead of going to your quanta pool, goes into the first Capacitor on your field. It is stored and represented visually as a number on Capacitor. ALL quanta you generate is stored in Capacitor, whether from pillars, Nova, Firefly, Solar Shield, etc.

The ability 'Discharge' puts all the quanta stored in Capacitor into your quanta pool, and then destroys Capacitor.

This counters denial; your quanta pool cannot be altered if there is nothing in it, after all. You can safely store all your quanta in Capacitor and release it in a huge burst when you need it.

This can also be used to build up lots of quanta fast, then release it to play lots of expensive cards such as dragons, possibly alongside Fractal.

So what's the downside? Well, you won't have any quanta available while using this, so you won't really be able to play much. Also, if it is destroyed, you'll lose all the quanta stored in it. If it's stolen, your enemy will now have all the quanta you've built up!
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Re: Capacitor | Capacitor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35656.msg448662#msg448662
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 09:02:20 am »
The ability 'Discharge' puts all the quanta stored in Capacitor into your quanta pool, and then destroys Capacitor.
...So destruction-negating (continuous or otherwise) effects will take all the quanta out of Capacitor and put it in your pools without destroying Capacitor?

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Re: Capacitor | Capacitor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35656.msg448675#msg448675
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 10:21:08 am »
... What destruction-negating effects currently exist?
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Re: Capacitor | Capacitor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35656.msg448679#msg448679
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 11:08:22 am »
I suggest "when this card is destroyed (this implies steal) it restore the quanta stored", AND "you can sacrifice it". I mean..separate the 2 effects

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Re: Capacitor | Capacitor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35656.msg448680#msg448680
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 11:16:05 am »
I think it's already powerful enough; why remove one of its few counters?
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Re: Capacitor | Capacitor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35656.msg448701#msg448701
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 03:08:03 pm »
Isn't it too risky to use? I mean, sacrificing turns of :aether -less, then this gets stolen... against pc-less decks, this'd do great... otherwise, it looks like a pc attraction to let you play dim shield  :P :P

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Re: Capacitor | Capacitor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35656.msg448719#msg448719
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 04:37:19 pm »
The ability 'Discharge' puts all the quanta stored in Capacitor into your quanta pool, and then destroys Capacitor.
...So destruction-negating (continuous or otherwise) effects will take all the quanta out of Capacitor and put it in your pools without destroying Capacitor?
Sacrifice bypasses destruction-negation.


Currently you pay 1 :aether + 1 card + 1 turn to get a free turn of quanta. Is that too cheap? (note this usage would not delay any quanta)
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Re: Capacitor | Capacitor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35656.msg448723#msg448723
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 05:28:35 pm »
Definitely against the upgraded version being colorless due to how many combos it opens up for almost no cost. Personally think it should have a preset lifetime that you cannot destroy it during(but if someone does you lose the quanta) and at the end of the 3 turns or so it gives you the burst of double quanta automatically. I can live with the kill anytime mechanic I suppose but it just seems very strong with cremation or supernova if you can destroy it at any time. The thing that makes it mostly balanced is the 75 max quantum otherwise this would be far too great with fire.

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Re: Capacitor | Capacitor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35656.msg448733#msg448733
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 06:15:49 pm »
While thinking about it some more nerfing this card a bit might be in order.
I already told about Fractal synergy earlier by allowing you to unleash even more Dragons (anti-quanta cap), but on top of that one could even easily use 2 Fractals/Sky Blitzes in one turn. With a bit of playing around with permanents even 3 or more.

What about not multiplying the quanta that gets stored, at all? Just being able to store the quanta seems to be worthwhile in certain strategies (especially with said quanta cap).

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Re: Capacitor | Capacitor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35656.msg454989#msg454989
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2012, 09:57:02 pm »
What about not multiplying the quanta that gets stored, at all? Just being able to store the quanta seems to be worthwhile in certain strategies.
This is just what I was going to say:

1:
The quanta duplication would definitley make broken decks with Cremations and Hypernovas.

2:
It would be a super powerful card even without the quanta duplication:
. Double Fractal
. Double Sky Blitz
. Quanta denial counter
Of course, the counter to the card would be Steal/Destroy.

3:
You must clarify what happens if a player plays 2+ caps and what happen if one of them is destroyed when the other one is still in play. A viable solution would be only count the first cap in play, and if it's destroyed another cap begins to be the quanta accumulator.
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Re: Capacitor | Capacitor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35656.msg455007#msg455007
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2012, 10:48:00 pm »
Hmm:
What if each Capacitor stores quanta equal to what would have been produced but prevent the quanta being produced?
Aka:
1 Capacitor would store quanta
2 Capacitors would store and double quanta
3 Capacitors would store and triple quanta
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Re: Capacitor | Capacitor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35656.msg455071#msg455071
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2012, 12:46:28 am »
Hmm:
What if each Capacitor stores quanta equal to what would have been produced but prevent the quanta being produced?
Aka:
1 Capacitor would store quanta
2 Capacitors would store and double quanta
3 Capacitors would store and triple quanta
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I actually quite like that idea, but would it be too powerful? It pretty much eliminates the PC risk that Capacitor currently has, and instead of having to store all your quanta, you can actually use some and store some by discharging some Capacitors and leaving the others.
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