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Re: Bumble Bee | Bumble Bee https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15213.msg194965#msg194965
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2010, 01:57:45 pm »
Well, I like this card but I always have something to say to critisize stuff.the word
First take the word "Bumble" out of its name cuz that just makes it sound lame.
2ndly, we already have the "Horned frog which is the same thing for one less quanta" In most situations you wont sacrifice a 3 quanta creatuer just for 1 poison damage a round so horned frog is alot more powerful than this, making this slightly... underpowered.
Heavily disagree. It's a bee. It bumbles. It looks non threatening until... oh wait! *sting!*, thus, the 'virus' aspect. Also, it will very likely be airborne, which horned frog is not. So please read through the comments to see opinions / questions. If you had you would understand that airborne does give it the advantage and it can kill other creatures.

2 other things: In description: art says "none" where I believe it should say Kamietsu. And airbourne is misspelled (missing the e at the end)
Heres a little extra info. When a Bumble Bee stings you it dies a few minutes later.
I should have been specific and mentioned that. That was my logic but... this is why I need a machine to translate what i'm thinking into text so nothing is misunderstood :D xD

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Re: Bumble Bee | Bumble Bee https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15213.msg194966#msg194966
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2010, 01:58:04 pm »
Comparing the upped versions between "Bumble Bee" and "Cockatrice":

-Both have an ATK: 5
-Both cost 3 :life
-Cockatrice has a DEF of 5, Bumble Bee has 3, so Cockatrice can survive a lot of CC.
-Bumble Bee can be sac'ed to infect a creature and is Airbourne, Cockatrice has no ability, but Bumble Bee would be subject to more CC.

in the end, Bumble Bee gives up -2 DEF, but picks up a little CC and Airbourne. Given how the low DEF opens up the CC against Bumble Bee, I think it's a fair trade off for the abilities it gets. Bottom line, the card is well balanced and a good addition to Life.


The only suggestion I could give is maybe give the upped version "Virus: Sacrafice this creature to inflict one poison to target creature or player."

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Re: Bumble Bee | Bumble Bee https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15213.msg194974#msg194974
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2010, 02:01:23 pm »
Comparing the upped versions between "Bumble Bee" and "Cockatrice":

-Both have an ATK: 5
-Both cost 3 :life
-Cockatrice has a DEF of 5, Bumble Bee has 3, so Cockatrice can survive a lot of CC.
-Bumble Bee can be sac'ed to infect a creature and is Airbourne, Cockatrice has no ability, but Bumble Bee would be subject to more CC.

in the end, Bumble Bee gives up -2 DEF, but picks up a little CC and Airbourne. Given how the low DEF opens up the CC against Bumble Bee, I think it's a fair trade off for the abilities it gets. Bottom line, the card is well balanced and a good addition to Life.


The only suggestion I could give is maybe give the upped version "Virus: Sacrafice this creature to inflict one poison to target creature or player."
Really like that idea, it's an interesting thought and nothing else has it. Unique idea's are certainly better than repeating the same card with different versions.

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Re: Bumble Bee | Bumble Bee https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15213.msg196050#msg196050
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2010, 10:08:30 pm »
My vote goes towards being able to target both creatures and players, perhaps even on both versions.

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Re: Bumble Bee | Bumble Bee https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15213.msg196181#msg196181
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2010, 01:14:54 am »
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-Remove the ':' or colon from the upped card's Cost section in the table

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Re: Bumble Bee | Bumble Bee https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15213.msg205153#msg205153
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2010, 01:10:45 pm »
Sacreficing a 5 attack creature, are you mad!?

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Re: Bumble Bee | Bumble Bee https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15213.msg205335#msg205335
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2010, 05:27:49 pm »
Sacreficing a 5 attack creature, are you mad!?
If you think about it, there are only a few select ways to get rid of your own creature when effects, such as Antimatter, are applied to your own creature. Having a way to sacrafice your own creatures is a heavy deterrent against your opponent playing antimatter on your creatures. Also, would be a nifty way of bypassing shield effects, like Hope. Can't get past the shield to do damage? Just sac your creature to hit your opponent with a poison counter.

Of course, this is assuming the "or player" part gets added in ;)

Re: Bumble Bee | Bumble Bee https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15213.msg206344#msg206344
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2010, 09:24:24 pm »
Sacreficing a 5 attack creature, are you mad!?
If you think about it, there are only a few select ways to get rid of your own creature when effects, such as Antimatter, are applied to your own creature. Having a way to sacrafice your own creatures is a heavy deterrent against your opponent playing antimatter on your creatures. Also, would be a nifty way of bypassing shield effects, like Hope. Can't get past the shield to do damage? Just sac your creature to hit your opponent with a poison counter.

Of course, this is assuming the "or player" part gets added in ;)
:) will do

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Re: Bumble Bee | Bumble Bee https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15213.msg206672#msg206672
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2010, 09:59:03 am »
Why not make the skill infect instead?
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Re: Bumble Bee | Bumble Bee https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15213.msg242946#msg242946
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2011, 05:36:45 am »
Dusting this card off a bit here.  Upon a first glimpse at the card's text, I wasn't too fond because it seemed a tad bit weak because it still says it can only target creatures.  However, you have added in the notes that it can also target players which is a nice alternative and gives the card some versatility.  This way if you ever find yourself in a position where poisoning the opposing creature just won't cut it then you'll at least be able to do something useful.  Also, :life is always accepting cheap hitters into decks, and this card provides yet another method of doing so.  The Creature Control isn't exactly game breaking or destructive so it fits into :life well as is.  When used in conjunction with the Death Element, this card has the potential to work well with cards such as Bone Wall, Graveyard, or the newer Soul Catcher seeing as how Virus itself isn't something most consider a worthwhile card to use.  However, more importantly this fits in with Poison decks and Forest Scorpion in :life's situation.  Overall, I think it has potential, but that last part of the effect needs to be added somewhere in the card description.  Also, sorry to nitpick, but the text on the card also reads:  "Sacrifice Bumble Bee to do 1 damager per round to target creature." Considering this is currently in the Crucible, that "r" needs to be removed :)
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