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Bird of Infinity | Flux Bird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25858.msg329711#msg329711
« on: May 08, 2011, 10:36:37 pm »
NAME:
Bird of Infinity
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
4 :aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|2
TEXT:
:entropy :entropy:Erratic Fluctuation Target creature's ability is replaced by a random one
NAME:
Flux Bird
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
4 :aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4|2
TEXT:
:entropy :entropy: Erratic Fluctuation Target creature's ability is replaced by a random one
ART:
Emeraldtiger
IDEA:
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NOTES:
This creature can change a creature's skill into anything possible for a creature to have plus "hasten" from golden hourglass|Electrum Hourglass. The bird can target itself as well. it is airborne of course. Cannot target creatures without an ability (vanilla creatures like dragons)
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Alright, first entry (officially at least) of a card from me. I got inspired by fallen druid to make this card. If creature can change... so can abilities. I wanted to make a card that could make :aether / :entropy duo work like a charm with annoying change of plans.
Special thanks to Emeraldtiger who made the art possible without me asking him anything at all! thanks bro!

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fixed the issue in the new version.
I lowered to cost of the upped from 5 to 4 and kept the Atk at 4|2
Wording of the ability has been worked and improved!
letters capitalised where needed in actual card
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Re: Bird of infinity | Flux bird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25858.msg329744#msg329744
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2011, 11:59:03 pm »
Nice idea.
1. Is one more attack really worth raising the cost?
2. And a suggestion for the wording: :entropy :entropy: Erratic Fluctuation: Randomly change the target's ability.
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Re: Bird of infinity | Flux bird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25858.msg329747#msg329747
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 12:01:01 am »
Hold on a bit, I think Affinity Bird is better than Bird of infinity.

infinity = a Time concept
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Re: Bird of infinity | Flux bird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25858.msg329750#msg329750
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2011, 12:06:52 am »
Nice idea.
1. Is one more attack really worth raising the cost?
2. And a suggestion for the wording: :entropy :entropy: Erratic Fluctuation: Randomly change the target's ability.
yes, the wording HAS to get some work...
i guess it doesn't need a cost increase due to the +2+0 +1+0 on upped. i thought if i didn't, it'd be OP
Affinity bird? i don't know... the reason of "infinity" was because that bird can go change things that goes beyond time itself, change the very nature of things...with a bit of luck and randomness (therfore the entropy cost)

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Re: Bird of infinity | Flux bird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25858.msg329803#msg329803
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2011, 01:47:45 am »
Interesting but i'm a bit skeptical on comparison with mutation.
 seems too similar to (improved) mutation, except without stat changing, only ability change.

Otherwise to the stat changing thing, how is this is a much different mechanic to mutation?

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Re: Bird of infinity | Flux bird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25858.msg329838#msg329838
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2011, 03:08:31 am »
I'm thinking, 1 :entropy ability cost to change its own ability to something random.
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Re: Bird of infinity | Flux bird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25858.msg329962#msg329962
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2011, 12:20:37 pm »
Interesting but i'm a bit skeptical on comparison with mutation.
 seems too similar to (improved) mutation, except without stat changing, only ability change.

Otherwise to the stat changing thing, how is this is a much different mechanic to mutation?
This creature is supposed to be situational compared to Fallen druid. as opposed to it, Flux bird just take care of annoying abilities like destroy and steal and such. Lets say in a situation of a RoL (1|1) has been imbued with buttefly effect, flux bird denies the ability and gives it something else. other situation. a nice jade dragon with no abilities... until Flux bird says: nuh uh, you better get acceleration or dive, now go kill.

its a 2 :entropy cost because you can have the chance of giving your creatures an ability that would make it OP at any time! Also, i think 2 :entropy is equivalent to 1 :life since 2 :entropy=supernova.
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Re: Bird of infinity | Flux bird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25858.msg329990#msg329990
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2011, 02:31:52 pm »
Interesting but i'm a bit skeptical on comparison with mutation.
 seems too similar to (improved) mutation, except without stat changing, only ability change.

Otherwise to the stat changing thing, how is this is a much different mechanic to mutation?
This creature is supposed to be situational compared to Fallen druid. as opposed to it, Flux bird just take care of annoying abilities like destroy and steal and such. Lets say in a situation of a RoL (1|1) has been imbued with buttefly effect, flux bird denies the ability and gives it something else. other situation. a nice jade dragon with no abilities... until Flux bird says: nuh uh, you better get acceleration or dive, now go kill.

its a 2 :entropy cost because you can have the chance of giving your creatures an ability that would make it OP at any time! Also, i think 2 :entropy is equivalent to 1 :life since 2 :entropy=supernova.
It nevers says it can target vanilla creatures and give them abilities, it says "Target" ability, not target creature ability.
Your argument is solely based on mechanics that already basically exist or are similar and costs.
Does this mean it can also do the same for permanents? I suggest changing the wording to something like:
Change target creature's ability.

if you put this in aether, its just a soft lobotomizer, which can target vanilla creatures. Why repeat a similar mechanic?
Mutation still can give a random ability to a vanilla creature, so no difference there either.
Changing the actual element cost from  :life to  :entropy does not justify your implications of it being different.



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Re: Bird of infinity | Flux bird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25858.msg330041#msg330041
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2011, 04:30:53 pm »
Interesting but i'm a bit skeptical on comparison with mutation.
 seems too similar to (improved) mutation, except without stat changing, only ability change.

Otherwise to the stat changing thing, how is this is a much different mechanic to mutation?
This creature is supposed to be situational compared to Fallen druid. as opposed to it, Flux bird just take care of annoying abilities like destroy and steal and such. Lets say in a situation of a RoL (1|1) has been imbued with buttefly effect, flux bird denies the ability and gives it something else. other situation. a nice jade dragon with no abilities... until Flux bird says: nuh uh, you better get acceleration or dive, now go kill.


its a 2 :entropy cost because you can have the chance of giving your creatures an ability that would make it OP at any time! Also, i think 2 :entropy is equivalent to 1 :life since 2 :entropy=supernova.
It nevers says it can target vanilla creatures and give them abilities, it says "Target" ability, not target creature ability.
Your argument is solely based on mechanics that already basically exist or are similar and costs.
Does this mean it can also do the same for permanents? I suggest changing the wording to something like:
Change target creature's ability.

if you put this in aether, its just a soft lobotomizer, which can target vanilla creatures. Why repeat a similar mechanic?
Mutation still can give a random ability to a vanilla creature, so no difference there either.
Changing the actual element cost from  :life to  :entropy does not justify your implications of it being different.
ok, i see your point,  the ability will not touch vanilla creatures at all, only creature that have an innate ability or gotten one from a spell like overdrive, epinephrine and such except those with immaterial since they cant be targetted at all.

*EDIT* i didn't wanted to double post.
I changed Flux bird's cost from 5 :aether ---> 4 :aether
modified the wording to make it more comprehensible
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Re: Bird of infinity | Flux bird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25858.msg330584#msg330584
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2011, 03:10:26 pm »
I was thinking about it, maybe this card should have an other ability altogheter but i have no idea what it could be!
i still want to keep an ability using :entropy but i have no idea what new mechanic can be implemented to the game without it being impossible since i don't know the extent of the program.
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Re: Bird of infinity | Flux bird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25858.msg330599#msg330599
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2011, 03:27:10 pm »
I was thinking about it, maybe this card should have an other ability altogheter but i have no idea what it could be!
i still want to keep an ability using :entropy but i have no idea what new mechanic can be implemented to the game without it being impossible since i don't know the extent of the program.
This mechanic would probably work. We already have a skill (luciferin) which checks to see if a creature has an ability or not, so It is probably very possible for it to do the exact opposite (give ability creatures a new ability instead of giving ability-less creatures abilities.)
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Re: Bird of infinity | Flux bird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25858.msg330605#msg330605
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2011, 03:35:57 pm »
what i was reffering to was that Flux bird's ability is just like fallen druid but not half as good, if you know what i mean. i feel it needs something else entirely.

anu suggestions?
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