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[SevenSapiens]

One: i meant the meaning of the WORD Atom, not what an atom is.

Two: so you think this should be a mono-gravity?

"Indivisible" is the meaning of the greek word — átomos — that originated the word "atom", not of the word "atom" itself. When one language takes a word from another language, it usually changes its meaning (almost always, in fact). In this case, the meaning of "atom" fits with the concept of what an atom is in physics.

And yes, I think it'd be better as a mono-gravity. Or, I dunno, maybe, just maybe the element of the card could be , since in thermodynamics entropy has something to do with the positioning of the molecules.

[Dominator497]

 

"Indivisible" is the meaning of the greek word — átomos — that originated the word "atom", not of the word "atom" itself. When one language takes a word from another language, it usually changes its meaning (almost always, in fact). In this case, the meaning of "atom" fits with the concept of what an atom is in physics.

And yes, I think it'd be better as a mono-gravity. Or, I dunno, maybe, just maybe the element of the card could be , since in thermodynamics entropy has something to do with the positioning of the molecules.

I do have a question though. Besides the literal meaning. Isn't it true that an atom is in fact invisible to humans? A single atom is so tiny if nobody told you about atoms, you would not even know they existed. I mean an atom is as close to being immaterial as matter can get. I am not yet ready to give it up as a gravity card. which brings me to my next point. Gravity is about as suited for an atom as you say aether is. Gravity is only a force. Nothing more. Entropy doesn't have much to do with an atom either. I mean if I had to pick an element it best fit in it would be earth. But perhaps it belongs with no element.

[SevenSapiens]

I do have a question though. Besides the literal meaning. Isn't it true that an atom is in fact invisible to humans? A single atom is so tiny if nobody told you about atoms, you would not even know they existed. I mean an atom is as close to being immaterial as matter can get.

An atom is as close to being immaterial as a rock is. The fact of it being invisible to us means nothing, air is invisible to humans too, and have even water in it. Atom is matter, period.

About the element of the card:
Gravity is intrinsically related to matter. If there's no matter, there is no gravity, and every matter, even a single atom, has a gravity field (remember the electrons orbiting the nucleus? That is gravity), even you have a gravity field around yourself. It is almost as gravity itself is a part of the matter. My point is, gravity has basically everything to do with atoms (and matter in general), while aether has nothing.

And the ability of your card is .

I only suggested entropy because, as I said, in thermodynamics it (kind of) describes the behaviour of the molecules. In fact, I wouldn't make this card as entropy either. I'd definitely use .

However, I do really like your card. I just find its element illogical.

But if you want to keep using , it's your decision and no one else's, of course.

[Dominator497]

An atom is as close to being immaterial as a rock is. The fact of it being invisible to us means nothing, air is invisible to humans too, and have even water in it. Atom is matter, period.

About the element of the card:
Gravity is intrinsically related to matter. If there's no matter, there is no gravity, and every matter, even a single atom, has a gravity field (remember the electrons orbiting the nucleus? That is gravity), even you have a gravity field around yourself. It is almost as gravity itself is a part of the matter. My point is, gravity has basically everything to do with atoms (and matter in general), while aether has nothing.

And the ability of your card is .

I only suggested entropy because, as I said, in thermodynamics it (kind of) describes the behaviour of the molecules. In fact, I wouldn't make this card as entropy either. I'd definitely use .

However, I do really like your card. I just find its element illogical.

But if you want to keep using , it's your decision and no one else's, of course.

No ( *edit* no idea how that no got there) I thank you for your input and I am actually likely to change it. I want some more reviews. Not so I can discredit your ideas when lots of people say they like it as is, but so I can get more ideas and end up with one final set of cards not 8 sets between now and then.
Now I in no way intend to slam anyone's ideas. In fact I like them. I am just trying to think up ways this card could work as is.
I have one last thing to say: Was it not true that the concept of having elements like aether, air, darkness, death, earth, entropy, fire, gravity, life, light, time, and water was actually accepted at one time? At a time where people knew not of Atoms. So to those people Atoms would be invisible forces. They wouldn't know what an Atom was. Other then the fact atoms can hurt you without you actually seeing them. Thanks for the comments
On a similar note:
 I am going to make another card called Radioactive atom. And it will decay. What element should I make that? Perhaps I make it in gravity. I don't think it would be as fitting to be in aether. Can't decide though. It will be similar to this one but just reverse effect.

[heyy101]

Aether is the domain of the immaterial things; it is where the stars reside and the media where all the energy waves move. Aether elementals excel in manipulating the dimensions and electricity; most of the creatures they generate are immaterial.

I agree with dominator that the element should be aether. Yes, it doesn't matter whether or not an atom is invisible to us, but whether or not it is immaterial to humans. Today, with all of our technology, we know all about atoms and - to some extent - present them as material things, but as just humans atoms truly are immaterial. Without our technology atoms can be described as nothing else BUT immaterial.

[SevenSapiens]

Without tecnology, we wouldn't be aware of the existence of the atom. However, it would still be material.

The nature of the atom does not depend on wether we know about it or not. I don't see how interpreting atom as immaterial is different from interpreting matter itself as immaterial. It's a clear contradiction.

However, it is not me who decides which element will the card be. I'm only making a suggestion.

[Dominator497]

No you don't decide on the card, but I thank you very much for your input. I do enjoy the nature of our discussion. I always love suggestions, I hope it doesn't bother you the way I argue the. That is just my way of determining what is the best route for this card. I am very likely to change the card in the future I will leave it as is for now and we will see what happens.
Thanks!

[heyy101]

It is your decision but I think really either element would work, so I would recommend simply leaving it and hopefully someone will give more input and you can make a decision if another suggestion comes up.

[Aves]

Ahem. So, 3 choices here. , ,
Here's my take.

Gravity is a fundamental force... but it is not the only fundamental force (The others being the strong interaction, the weak interaction, and electromagnetism). In Elements, Gravity deals with mass and gravity.

Entropy has to do with thermodynamics, and also the weak interaction. It deals with the decay of systems. In fact, without entropy, we could say that everything is immaterial, because nothing would decay- systems wouldn't lose energy, and so forth. In Elements, Entropy has taken on the role of probability (randomness/duality, quantum mechanics).

The Atom is more related to the Strong interaction (strong nuclear force) and the electromagnetic force, as they are what keep atoms together (the strong interaction holding the nucleus together, the electromagnetic force attracting protons and electrons). Aether has a claim to the electromagnetic force- Spark, lightning, mindgate (the nervous system works by transmitting signals, i.e electrical pulses)

Thus, I support .
For the ability, I think it should be entropy, not gravity. Gravity attracts all matter, yes, but it is entropy that causes nuclear reactions. In this case, extreme amounts of energy overwhelming the electromagnetic force and forcing the two nuclei together. Remember- Supernova is an card.

Btw, you should make two polls for this- one for the element of the card, one for the element of the skill.

[Dominator497]

I will add both polls right now.

[0gr0]

i think this card should be gravity and its ability entropy
gravity because no other element fits better
and for the skill entropy for the same reason of Aves

[EmeraldTiger]

another idea is leave ability and make card a Duality.
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