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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg225279#msg225279
« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2010, 01:42:59 pm »
Then this card contradicts the direct wording of another card. Isn't that invalid?
This does not target. [WoG]
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg225280#msg225280
« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2010, 01:43:24 pm »
"Target permanent cannot be stolen or destroyed"
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg225283#msg225283
« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2010, 01:44:53 pm »
"Target permanent cannot be stolen or destroyed"
"The target permanent can not be the target of any skill. It does not work on creatures." (Element's Wiki)
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg225284#msg225284
« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2010, 01:47:41 pm »
So, we rely more on the interpretation of the card than the card text itself?  :))
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg225299#msg225299
« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2010, 02:07:22 pm »
I think that we should rely on the card text.
Protect Artifact
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"The target permanent can not be the target of any skill. It does not work on creatures." (Element's Wiki)
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Destroy: Remove completely including byproducts of the correct types.
____ all -------: All -------s are affected with a nontargeted _____.
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg225326#msg225326
« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2010, 02:43:16 pm »
Are immortal creatures destroyed by flood? I never use the card or immortal creatures, so Idk. This should follow that logic though.
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg225430#msg225430
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2010, 06:40:38 pm »
Late reply ><

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This is just a quick example. Just blow everything up and miracle late game, then cremate and revive all you phoenixes.

Not really balanced properly, but the idea is there.

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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg225531#msg225531
« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2010, 09:40:22 pm »
Late reply ><

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This is just a quick example. Just blow everything up and miracle late game, then cremate and revive all you phoenixes.

Not really balanced properly, but the idea is there.
wow, youve found a possible strategy with this card,  congrats, applause..

so whats now?  this deck is not OP, what if your phoenices wont kill your opp before you play all your cards? what if your opp have creature control cards? he will for sure, and can play them, he will have enough quanta.. what if your opp kills you before you play apocalypse? what if your opp still have in his deck a creature?

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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg225607#msg225607
« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2010, 11:36:59 pm »
Oh, I just noticed your post saying that phoenixes won't turn into ashes.

In that case, if absolutely everything gets blown up, there's no possibility that this card every gives you any kind of advantage right? I actually agree with you now, after thinking about it, and I see it it as UP now, ironically.

Since it uses up all your fire quanta, and no any of your opponent's quanta, and the same effect is applied to both sides of the field, it's really hard to put this in any kind of feasible deck. It just never gives you any kind of proper advantage to be worth the card slot or quanta.

In that case, whether it's seen as extreme OP or extreme UP, there's really no need for this card to be in the game, I have to say.

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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg225621#msg225621
« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2010, 12:05:30 am »
i just looked at both deflagration and enchant artifact, enchant artifact means cant be targeted, deflegration is a destroy spell that targets, so in my mind, this card would technically target every card on the field and destroy it, making it usless on protected artifacts, so if i built a deck based around soul catcher, enchant artifact (earth mark) and this card, i could easily play quite a few bone dragoons immediatly after playing this card, that is however the only strategy i can think of.

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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg225632#msg225632
« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2010, 12:16:59 am »
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The author has declared that this card does not target.
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg225811#msg225811
« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2010, 07:53:13 am »
Maybe there should be a series for this. I mean, who knows if the world is going to end in :fire?
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