Ancient Skull | Enchanted Skull

[Vineroz]

NAME: Ancient Skull ELEMENT: Death COST: 3 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Target permanent gains : Generate a Skeleton	NAME: Enchanted Skull ELEMENT: Death COST: 4 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Target permanent can not be target of any skill and gains : Generate an Elite Skeleton

ART: Scaredgirl (manipulated royal-free image), modified by Vineroz IDEA: Vineroz NOTES: A rework of an old idea. This would overwrite the permanent's original active skill e.g. Empathic Bond will lose Regenerate. Use this on a shield will replace anything other than damage reduction. Cannot target Pillars/Pends/Marks. SERIES:

[Vineroz]

Another update. Now it can be used on all permanents. Is the upgraded version OP?

[rickerd]

Fun idea, but is the untargetable needed?

[Rutarete]

Fun idea, but is the untargetable needed?

It's not completely untargetable. It only says skills. So any PC from the hand will work.

[Vineroz]

Fun idea, but is the untargetable needed?

It's not completely untargetable. It only says skills. So any PC from the hand will work.

Actually that text is from PA

I make it untargetable because of thematic reasons. Also I think it needs to be tougher in the upgraded meta.

[Drake_XIV]

I like this, but I can't help but feel this overshadows Boneyard to an extent...

[Vineroz]

Compare this with Boneyard + Cat:

Boneyard + Cat: 3 cost + 1 cost + 1 skill + 2 cards
this card + a permanent: 0 cost (Soul Catcher) + 3 cost + 1 skill + 2 cards

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but consider Cat is more fragile as a creature, and the lack of element constraint of this card, maybe this could do a slight nerf?

[Drake_XIV]

I'd agree, to an extent.

When I think about it, would this make Sundial a permanent Permanent?  It'd lose its timer with its ability, right?

Also, in , Soul Catcher would probably be a prime candidate since it costs nothing...  Rather, it can be splashed anywhere with Soul Catcher.

[ddevans96]

When I think about it, would this make Sundial a permanent Permanent?  It'd lose its timer with its ability, right?

Well...maybe. It seems like the creature delay and timer can be a 'passive' ability, while hasten is an 'active' ability. That being said, though, if it does make sundial permanent (without the creature delay of course), I think there's something to be said for a functional light/death duo that draws, and then replaces the ability so the sundial is permanent.

I dunno, to me that sounds pretty fun :3

[Vineroz]

I'd agree, to an extent.

When I think about it, would this make Sundial a permanent Permanent?  It'd lose its timer with its ability, right?

Also, in , Soul Catcher would probably be a prime candidate since it costs nothing...  Rather, it can be splashed anywhere with Soul Catcher.

I do think the timer in Sundial belongs to its passive, with Hasten being an active skill. The same goes for Cloak.

And indeed Soul Catcher would be the best card to pair with Ancient Skull if it is intended for your own use. If I change the skill cost to 2 , will it be too strong when it is used defensively?

[UndeadSpider1990]

Interesting idea! While I'll admit I'm not too interested in the ability to generate skeletons, it's a nice approach to PC. It's almost a PC lobo-effect, or more closely a PC Liquid Shadow. It would certainly increase the appearance of Skeletons, too, but I'm still not convinced you could make a strong deck intentionally generating skellie-swarms.

One question, what would happen if you used this on a weapon and then Flying Weapon? I imagine it would keep it's Skeleton generation ability, but it's your card.

[UndeadSpider1990]

Compare this with Boneyard + Cat:
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but consider Cat is more fragile as a creature, and the lack of element constraint of this card, maybe this could do a slight nerf?

Your comparison is skewed by the potential of the cat to do much more than generate skeletons. He can buff Vultures, generate quanta from Soul Catchers, and add bones to Bonewall (the glory being that usually the only way to stop him is to kill him).

So, I don't think that's good cause to nerf this card. At a glance, it seems reasonable to me.

I'd make a comparison to Steal. It is two things, PC, and a way of acquiring a useful ability. The plus-side of Ancient Skull is that you know what ability you're going to acquire, whereas with Steal you don't. On the other hand, Steal has the potential (and I imagine this will realise more often than the Skull) to gain a more powerful ability.Steal can also remove damage reduction shields, which apparently this cannot.