Algrator | Logthregor

[Kardo]

The most interesting use of this weapon, I think, is flying it first, then using its ability on itself.  It's a Dive that doesn't reset at the end of the turn, giving you something with exponential growth - something we've only seen ingame in limited form (think sky blitz + dive).

Based on how Crusader's endow works, this card shouldn't be able to use endow/attune itself (or any weapon). Crusaders can still endow weapons on the field despite the fact that they've been flown but they cannot use endow on other creatures. I imagine this would work the opposite way.

As for endowing passive abilities, that allows you to get:

Airborne - Bypass Wings.
Chimera - Similar to playing 2 Chimeras if flown, bad idea.
Devourer - Good passive to steal. Doesn't add any attack but it is free if cost is based off attack.
Mummy - Mummy rewinding effect.
Obsession - Wouldn't carry over to cards in hand.
Poisonous - Only works when flown and eaten.
Ranged - Same as Airborne.
Swarm - Only affects HP when flown.
Undead - Skeleton rewinding effect.
Voodoo - Possible the most interesting effect. Does your weapon count as "you" in the way that if you are attacked with Ice lance your weapon can be frozen. If this were the case Voodoo would be overpowered because every point of damage you take (that doesn't kill you) is also suffered by your opponent. If not, then it only affects when flown.

In most cases it only affects the weapon when flown. If the ability endowing is the main attraction of the card then I think passive abilities are not the way to go, however if the +attack increase from endowing is what's desired, passives solve a lot of problems.

[Rutarete]

Inverse crusader! I want to see someone make a recursive crusader and algrator equipping each other.

I talked about it with my friend, and found a way to fix the Crusader loop. It will only endow (yes, a better term is needed) passive abilities.

Edit: Is Bestow a good keyword to replace Endow? Does Attune fit better than Bestow?

Before i vote in the poll: is the ability single use (and then goes away) or multiple use?
Please add this in the notes.

It is single use. The ability it targets replaces it.

The most interesting use of this weapon, I think, is flying it first, then using its ability on itself.  It's a Dive that doesn't reset at the end of the turn, giving you something with exponential growth - something we've only seen ingame in limited form (think sky blitz + dive).

Based on how Crusader's endow works, this card shouldn't be able to use endow/attune itself (or any weapon). Crusaders can still endow weapons on the field despite the fact that they've been flown but they cannot use endow on other creatures. I imagine this would work the opposite way.

As for endowing passive abilities, that allows you to get:

Airborne - Bypass Wings.
Chimera - Similar to playing 2 Chimeras if flown, bad idea.
Devourer - Good passive to steal. Doesn't add any attack but it is free if cost is based off attack.
Mummy - Mummy rewinding effect.
Obsession - Wouldn't carry over to cards in hand.
Poisonous - Only works when flown and eaten.
Ranged - Same as Airborne.
Swarm - Only affects HP when flown.
Undead - Skeleton rewinding effect.
Voodoo - Possible the most interesting effect. Does your weapon count as "you" in the way that if you are attacked with Ice lance your weapon can be frozen. If this were the case Voodoo would be overpowered because every point of damage you take (that doesn't kill you) is also suffered by your opponent. If not, then it only affects when flown.

In most cases it only affects the weapon when flown. If the ability endowing is the main attraction of the card then I think passive abilities are not the way to go, however if the +attack increase from endowing is what's desired, passives solve a lot of problems.

The reason I changed it to passives is to solve the Crusader loop. I'd prefer it to be active abilities, but unless a different way is found to fix that, it will stay as passive. Perhaps if the ability cost is high enough it could work; but I don't think a high cost is the best solution.

[Elite arbiter]

The easiest way that the Crusader loop can be solved gives an actual good opportunity, if it can be programed. If something Endowed gains the new ability Bestow, or vice versa, the two cards are combined altogether, similar to how chimera combines the field into itself. Even if Algrator / Logthegor is in weapon form it would do this. This new creature could have the stats of both of them, possibly have a new picture to represent the 'new' card, and have a random current weapon's ability applied. (Possibly the weapon's stats too, but I'm not sure, that might be a bit much for 2 cards, 7  , and 5  .)

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[pikachufan2164]

What happens when you endow a creature with Devour when Algrator is in the weapon slot?

[Rutarete]

What happens when you endow a creature with Devour when Algrator is in the weapon slot?

Algrator gains the creature's stats + Devour. If flown, it can Devour. Not while in the weapon slot though.

As for

The easiest way that the Crusader loop can be solved gives an actual good opportunity, if it can be programed. If something Endowed gains the new ability Bestow, or vice versa, the two cards are combined altogether, similar to how chimera combines the field into itself.

I like this solution. I'll add it to the notes.

[Rutarete]

Apologies for double posting.
I have thought of a different solution to the looping problem: Make Algrator | Logthregor immaterial. This would stop it from targeting itself and Crusaders targeting it. However, that brings the point to PC. Would immaterial make this too powerful?
What do you think of this solution? Also, how should the wording be changed to fit 'immaterial' on the card?

[ninetyfools]

Apologies for double posting.
I have thought of a different solution to the looping problem: Make Algrator | Logthregor immaterial. This would stop it from targeting itself and Crusaders targeting it. However, that brings the point to PC. Would immaterial make this too powerful?
What do you think of this solution? Also, how should the wording be changed to fit 'immaterial' on the card?

This card can only be targeted by your opponent.

[Rutarete]

This card can only be targeted by your opponent.

And what about the rest of the text?

[ninetyfools]

This card can only be targeted by your opponent.

And what about the rest of the text?

Bleh. Whatever.   

[xsindomanx]

Looks like a very good card that could be used on many occasions.
However, you may want to make the upped version a bit better (cost decrease / attack increase), as upgrading a card for just one additional attack, I find wasteful.

[Rutarete]

Looks like a very good card that could be used on many occasions.
However, you may want to make the upped version a bit better (cost decrease / attack increase), as upgrading a card for just one additional attack, I find wasteful.

What do you recommend? (specifically, which of ^? cost, attack, something else?)

[Rutarete]

Bump for comments on update.