Vanadium Warden + SoPa

[trashduke]

I've fought two decks using Vanadium Warden and Sopa - in both cases when the AI has a Sopa out and the Wardens "guard" one of my creatures, it does damage to that creature in addition to stalling it for one turn.  The damage seems to grow with Sopa as well.

E.g. On 4/16 8pm EST, playing a game vs. "DesOrden" in Plat.

DesOrden's deck uses Sopa and Wardens. 

After he got rid of Sopa, the effect was still there - the Wardens were able to kill a 0/5 Otyugh and a 0/1 SoFo by "guarding it."

[SpikeSpiegel]

Read WELL the warden's skill:



Delay the target creature and attack it unless it is airborne. Now, unbuffed warden has 0 attack, so usually wardens just delay target creatures; but if warden is buffed it damages the target creature (unless it is airborne).

For example, a buffed warden with 10 of attack power will deal 10 damage to a target creature.

Sopa + warden is a well known and pretty effective combo.

[rob77dp]

I've fought two decks using Vanadium Warden and Sopa - in both cases when the AI has a Sopa out and the Wardens "guard" one of my creatures, it does damage to that creature in addition to stalling it for one turn.  The damage seems to grow with Sopa as well.

E.g. On 4/16 8pm EST, playing a game vs. "DesOrden" in Plat.

DesOrden's deck uses Sopa and Wardens. 

After he got rid of Sopa, the effect was still there - the Wardens were able to kill a 0/5 Otyugh and a 0/1 SoFo by "guarding it."

It is the Warden's ability that does the damage.  Without SoP it is un-noticeable because Warden's 0 ATK base cannot damage anything - airborne or not.  As Spike points out - read carefully the WARDEN's card-text.

[jarozaoz]

Read WELL the warden's skill:

Spoiler for Hidden:

Delay the target creature and attack it unless it is airborne. Now, unbuffed warden has 0 attack, so usually wardens just delay target creatures; but if warden is buffed it damages the target creature (unless it is airborne).

For example, a buffed warden with 10 of attack power will deal 10 damage to a target creature.

Sopa + warden is a well known and pretty effective combo.

Thats why I like mutated wyrms with guard. Anyways, you can buff them with Blessing, but its more useless than SoPa.

[trashduke]

Read WELL the warden's skill:



Delay the target creature and attack it unless it is airborne. Now, unbuffed warden has 0 attack, so usually wardens just delay target creatures; but if warden is buffed it damages the target creature (unless it is airborne).

For example, a buffed warden with 10 of attack power will deal 10 damage to a target creature.

Sopa + warden is a well known and pretty effective combo.

That makes sense... even if it wasn't "well known" to me.  That said, I think my confusion isn't due to sloppiness for if you "Read WELL" there is a logical contradiction and it's really a question of which card takes priority, SoPa or Warden.  SoPa says: "Your Creatures do not attack."  When Warden uses it's ability, it "attacks."  There's some implied slippage for in the SoPa text it really means "do not attack [the Elemental/player]," but the card says "do not attack."   After SoPa is clicked and disappears, then Warden's "Guard" skill causes it to attack and there's no logical conflict, but while SoPa is up - both cards do not have true statements.

In any case, thanks for the clarification.

[SpikeSpiegel]

Sopa says "Your creatures do not attack", not "Your creatures cannot use their abilities"

Guard is the Iridium Warden active skill.

I see your opinion has a sense, btw now you know how this stuff's working.