War is coming..

[Kael Hate]

*YAWN*

When will people realise there is no Sheep Stations or Immortal Glory up for grabs here, its just an event to provoke some interaction that we may well just enjoy at a cost that is little more than some game time.

Someone PM me when the children grow out of primary school and this gets under way.

PS: Note Sheep Stations are a term Australians and New Zealanders use to describe overwhelming expensive property. You may see the same realation as Oil Company or Diamond mine.

[Essence]

Also, re: the elemental opposites.


Time/Aether is laid out in the introductory screen: Aether represents the unchanging eternal part of the universe; Aristotle's "celestial sphere", where Time represents the flow of change across the rest of the universe.

Gravity/Entropy is essentially order/chaos: Gravity makes everything into perfect spheres, and makes everything orbit in systematic fashion.  Entropy shatters everything into arbitrary chunks and makes everything behave erratically. 


This isn't anything special or hard-to-find; just open the Trainer and read the descriptions.

[00MaYk00]

If I would join, that will be aether. I love immaterial, and phase shields

[Glitch]

Yeah, there is such thing as a friendly rivalry, where you try to kill the other guy but root for him if he goes ahead of you.

Well, I wouldn't call Michigan/Ohio State a friendly rivalry . I would smash a Ohio Statian's face in any chance I get if there's even a remote reason for it. It's more of a "the enemy of my enemy I hate even more is my friend even if that friend is also an enemy" kinda thing.

But yes, that's the gist of it.

Oh, that's funny.  I'm a Buckeye fan, live in columbus.  In fact, next year I'll be going to OSU.  WHeeeeeeeeeeeeee rivalry.

[PuppyChow]

Why is time/aether a rivalry? I see no connection between the two other than that they have a good synergy. They aren't the opposite of eachother.

This has been discussed on this same thread already.

Time and Aether are both "Other Dimension" type of elements who might be fighting for control of that dimension or something.

Not all rivalries has to be like hot vs. cold, black vs. white, etc.

Entropy/Gravity... I see no connection. Why would they be rivals? (Even though I did put them on opposing teams, it could have just as easily been entropy on good too.)

This has also been discussed.

The way I see it, Gravity represents order, science and things making sense. Entropy on the other hand represent chaos and randomness. If you think about it like that, they are the opposites.

Then I fall back on the whole "Just because they're rivals doesn't mean they have to be on the opposite sides" thing.

Oh, that's funny.  I'm a Buckeye fan, live in columbus.  In fact, next year I'll be going to OSU.  WHeeeeeeeeeeeeee rivalry.

Brb, looking up your address so I can come shoot you  .

[vrt]

Silly Yankees.

[slovenc555]

...
- you can use any number of cards in your deck
- you can use any mark
- you can only use cards from your "side", meaning GOOD players can use  (+'other'), and EVIL players can use  (+'other')
- at least half of the cards in your deck must be from your chosen element. If you are Water and have 30 cards, you must have at least 15 water cards in your deck. You can also of course go full-mono with 30 Water cards.
...

Well... I'd be thrilled to join but i can't. I'm using a prototype alchemy deck (of my own design). It relies on whater, as a nymph factory and than AETHER to secure the water nymphs, air, to deal damage, FIRE to activate air, gravity, to heal. AETHER, air, water and FIRE are the key components, so i cannot play with any of those removed but i would have to, since those are the "evil" elements. But, on the other hand, i cannot join the "evil" side, beacouse than i would have to remove air and water, wich, again i cannot afford to.
you know, i am the harvester of sorrow.

[Scaredgirl]

Then I fall back on the whole "Just because they're rivals doesn't mean they have to be on the opposite sides" thing.

Here is a screenshot from the trainer:

I didn't realize this earlier but if you look at the image, you can clearly see the rivals how Zanz made them to be. They happen to be divided exactly like I did when I first introduced this event, so I think it's safe to say that this pairing thing has been settled once and for all. The next question is, if all the elements go to war, are these rivals going to fight on the same side? Um.. probably not because it just doesn't make any sense. PuppyChow your suggestion said that Earth and Air are on the same side. What makes them special? Why aren't Light and Darkness also on the same side? Difference between our classifications is that mine is based on Elements theme while yours is based on.. I don't know what.  So the way I see it, only question left is, which Elements are "good" and which ones are "evil"? There's no clear answer to that. All we can do really is to look at the elements and divide them by according to what is generally considered Good and Evil in most cultures. And that's exactly what I did. Unfortunately there are three truths about gaming communities: 1. There are a lot of whiners 2. Everyone has an opinion 3. No matter what you do, someone will always whine. This is why events like this one should be designed and organized by a very small group of people, preferable only one person. The best policy is to just do something and ignore the complainers. If we start voting on every single detail of every single event, we will have less events and less fun. Only thing we will have more is arguing about something that in the end makes no difference at all.

[Glitch]

GOOD

:airmark AIR unit748596 Casthegamer Diabriel Name Name

:gravitymark GRAVITY Jumbalumba ginfred Spielkind PhantomFox ODSTRookie (pending approval)

:lifemark LIFE Ohmega Gl1tch Mafidadufa Name Name

:lightmark LIGHT xdude Pervepic Kael_Hate BorderC Name

:timemark TIME PuppyChow Vrt WayneCore becarem Name

:watermark WATER Essence Astaroth Demagog xdawnbydeath Name

EVIL

:aethermark AETHER Icybraker larsi2358 assassim 00MaYk00 Name

:darknessmark DARKNESS BloodShadow ScytherLol Grimdrome Minipika12 CelestrialDreamer

:deathmark DEATH Coinich thepeeko (pending approval) Name Name Name

:earthmark EARTH Terroking Wisemage Reasoner PirateKingAtomsk Savador1

:entropymark ENTROPY Jmizzle7 cokeandaspirin Irkalia FrostBevis (pending approval) SpeedLimit55

:firemark FIRE Kamietsu Wu_Li_Mammoth Plastique Antagon kintar (pending approval)

Please remember lists are constantly updating.  Names are in the order I noticed them.

[Essence]

The best policy is to just do something and ignore the complainers.

No offense intended to you ScaredGirl, seeing as what I'm about to say doesn't apply to this event at all -- but this right here is exactly the wrong attitude for any kind of event manager when it comes to balanced and fair contests. 

First off, calling anyone who disagrees with you a 'whiner' is an ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) attack that in this specific instance is both false (almost everyone who discussed balance issues in this thread did so in a calm and rational manner) and irrelevant (even if they were 'whining', that doesn't make their points invalid.)

But far more importantly, when you make up rules and you decide that they are OK a priori and then ignore people's arguments to the contrary -- especially if a lot of people bring up the same points over and over again -- you're basically deciding that your ego (or your desire to avoid more work) is more important than the actual fairness and balance of the contest.  That, in turn, means it's more important than the FUN of the contest -- at least to all of us competition-oriented players. 

Even Zanzarino listens to feedback from the players when suggesting new cards and new game mechanics, because he knows he might miss something.  "Do something and ignore the complainers" has been a hallmark of bad game (/competition) design since the dawn of time.


That said:
I would like to propose a clear distinction to be made from here into the future: Events vs. Competitions.  This section of the forum has a title that encompasses both, but I propose that each thread in this section begin with either "Competition:" (indicating an event that is intended to be balanced and fair, for those of use who like to COMPETE) and "Event:" (indicating something that's intended to be interesting and fun, but not for hardcore gamers who like a fair fight.)

That will tell everyone up front whether discussion about the rules should be encouraged (for Competitions) or held back (for Events).

The War is clearly an Event, not a Competition -- and if we had all known that up front, we could have saved a lot of heartache.

[slovenc555]

Tougth about it and: joining! with my test account. IGN: slovenc

[Kamietsu]

If you would like to continue debating any imbalance issues, card restriction issues, or any other issues you can think of, unit has been kind enough to set up a thread for you to discuss and debate in. Do not use this thread to debate any longer.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3620.0.html