War is coming..

[Scaredgirl]

I requested to be in air earlier, and I pmed scaredgirl as well. Am I accepted?

Sorry, I didn't have time to reply.

If you read the rules, you will see that to join you have to contact the Master in question, in this case unit748596. I'm sure he will be happy to take you in.

[Diabriel]

I also requested to be in air, and I'm fairly certain I was accepted by Unit. =P

[xdude]

I do get it now, although it's not fun to be a guinea pig . I think that having explained this from the start instead of deleting all the messages would have been better and that there is no excuse for doing that (not like you care what I think about you  ) Indeed, good might win this if we try hardly and get lucky, but being totally owned is NOT FUN.

P.S.: You have great "speeches".

[Scaredgirl]

I do get it now, although it's not fun to be a guinea pig . I think that having explained this from the start instead of deleting all the messages would have been better and that there is no excuse for doing that (not like you care what I think about you  ) Indeed, good might win this if we try hardly and get lucky, but being totally owned is NOT FUN.

P.S.: You have great "speeches".

Deleting messages is what moderators do to enforce forum rules and to keep threads from side-tracking. If you want to see what happens when there is no moderation, I suggest you go pay a visit to Kongragate forums.

In this particular case we had a person breaking the rules and you commenting on that and playing a moderator (read forum rules, please). Messages like that will be removed.

If you have any problems with the moderation, PM me. This thread is not the right place for that discussion.

[Ohmega]

Still looking for Members for LIFE!
Just pm me and remember:

[PhantomFox]

Hold up, are you saying that this wasn't meant to be balanced, but you still think it is balanced?  I'm confused.

[Ohmega]

She says it could be baöanced or it could be difrrent then we all thought.

[Scaredgirl]

Hold up, are you saying that this wasn't meant to be balanced, but you still think it is balanced?  I'm confused.

*sigh*

This event was made using the theme of Good and Evil. Nothing more.

This means that:
A) I didn't try divide the elements so that they would be balanced.
B) I didn't try divide the elements so that they would be unbalanced.
C) I only tried to make them fit in the Good vs. Evil theme

A lot of people seem to confuse this with me trying to purposely make it unfair and wanting the GOOD side to lose. That's not the case.

[PhantomFox]

*snip*
I personally don't see a huge balance issue here in terms of cards.

It seems you don't see an imbalance.  Though with this many people (in two separate events nonetheless) commenting on the fact, I would double-check your position.  It's almost impossible to balance a game perfectly.  In practically every competitive game where there is team customization, imbalances exist.  Of course, depending on the severity of these imbalances, yes, skill CAN overcome, but they still exist.

The theme is nice and all, but this at its nature is a competition.  That means people want to play to win.  They're not here to role-play a battle, they're here to win.  The corollary to that, is people don't like losing.  If you ONLY chose sides based on good and evil for a competition primairly intended for people to have fun in, then I believe you are coming from a flawed premise.  In any event, the theme should be the icing on the cake, and not overpower the cake.  In this case, this was originally portrayed as a competitive event for fun.  Making (even unintentionally) the teams lopsided impacts the enjoyment had by both sides.  If the theme you chose gets in the way of the primary objective of the event (having fun) then you need to choose a new theme.  A burnt cake with three inches of frosting on top is not a good cake.

If you are instead using this as an EXPERIMENT as to elemental balance, that should have been stated up front.  Then people would not come in with expectations that everything would be fair and even.

I'm not upset, as I'll participate either way, but I'm unsure about what your intended purpose for this is.  As of now, it appears flawed.  If I am wrong, please show me why.  I'm trying to be constructive, so don't take anything personally.

[Warkthogus]

I think the rules are very clear on this. Each card in Elements either belongs to a specific element or 'Other'. When the rules say you must have at least half of the cards from your own element, that's exactly what it means. I really don't see where there's room for interpretation.

For example Quantum Pillars are 'Other'. They are not Water, Fire or Death. They are 'Other'.

It's fairly clear, but I'm still slightly confused.  If I have a deck of 30 cards and 10 pillars, do 15 of my non pillars have to be my color, or five of them?  I assume from your post that it would be the first, but I'd just like to clarify before I go too overboard.

The issue I can see with the pillars not counting towards your color is the forced bulking of otherwise sturdy decks.  One perfect example would be the graboid rush deck (x6 graboids, x6 shriekers, x18 stone pillars).  Since I'd only have twelve earth cards and eighteen "other," I'd be forced to pack in at least six more earth cards, for no good reason.

Any insight would be appreciated.

PS:  I have no issue with the "balancing" of this event.  It was brought up, and then you explained that it wasn't exactly meant to be fair, but not made unfair intentionally.  Well done.

[Astaroth]

Look at it this way. If Good wins, we get to celebrate because we "overcame the odds." If Evil wins, they don't get much to brag about. As they have stated, they have creature control and permanent control. Everyone will say things like, "What a surprise..."

Honestly, I don't care who wins. It's just a game. However, getting trampled on won't be much fun, but we'll have to play it out and see what happens.

[Scaredgirl]

Ok, we need to rethink this whole event.

My original plan was to design a fun PvP event that would be something different. Good vs. Evil seemed like a good theme to me as it's a popular theme in books, movies etc.

Now it seems as if people are taking this way too seriously and winning or losing has become the main thing, not the event itself. The fact that GOOD looks weaker on paper seems unbearable to some which has led to a lot of complaining that has given negative energy to this whole project.

I have a lot of important things going on right now both with this community and with my real job, and my to-do-list is piling up. Having to waste my time 1 hour per day defending this event either with PM's or on this thread is just something I don't have time for.

Here's what's going to happen:

- This event will be put on hold.
- You can still continue to join teams but details and timelines of who fights who will be revealed later
- I will shift responsibility of this event to Event Organizers (btw we need a new one to help out Kamietsu) and PvP Organizers
- Originally feedback discussion and rule tweaking was supposed to be held AFTER this event but looks like we need to have BEFORE the event as well
- After we collect the data and see what people want, we can hopefully start an event that is fun for everyone and we get minimal complaining