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Re: Voting: Elements Short Story Competition (Mystery/Sci-fi/Romance) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10131.msg124849#msg124849
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2010, 05:49:12 pm »
Why even post then, Kael?

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Re: Voting: Elements Short Story Competition (Mystery/Sci-fi/Romance) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10131.msg124856#msg124856
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2010, 06:05:00 pm »
Why even post then, Kael?
Maybe because polls like these only offer a positive option. Someone has to win.
I also wanted to show that I took the time to consider the candidates but none passed my standard and regardless of who won here none of you got my vote.

I hold true to the short notion given by Zanz at the start of the game and have yet to see any literature that seems to hold to that detail.


Re: Voting: Elements Short Story Competition (Mystery/Sci-fi/Romance) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10131.msg124943#msg124943
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2010, 07:34:56 pm »
Have you any constructive criticism to offer, beyond "you all suck"?  Otherwise you are only cutting us all down.

None of us would have been the wiser if you simply hadn't voted, and I doubt any of us will lose any sleep over not getting a vote from you - you're sounding very arrogant right now.

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I hold true to the short notion given by Zanz at the start of the game and have yet to see any literature that seems to hold to that detail.
He didn't post in the competition entry topic... what notion are you referring to?

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Re: Voting: Elements Short Story Competition (Mystery/Sci-fi/Romance) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10131.msg124952#msg124952
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2010, 07:41:26 pm »
none passed my standard

You must have pretty darn high standards here, some of the content written by people is of a very high quality

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I hold true to the short notion given by Zanz at the start of the game and have yet to see any literature that seems to hold to that detail.
He didn't post in the competition entry topic... what notion are you referring to?
I would assume he meant Scaredgirl

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Re: Voting: Elements Short Story Competition (Mystery/Sci-fi/Romance) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10131.msg125076#msg125076
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2010, 10:01:30 pm »
Why even post then, Kael?
Maybe because polls like these only offer a positive option. Someone has to win.
I also wanted to show that I took the time to consider the candidates but none passed my standard and regardless of who won here none of you got my vote.

I hold true to the short notion given by Zanz at the start of the game and have yet to see any literature that seems to hold to that detail.
Wow. It amazes me that you have the nerve to come here and basically say all these stories suck. I think they are very good quality but that's irrelevant really. Even if they looked like they were written by a 9-year-old, you should still have some respect towards people who spent their time writing these stories. They were never intended to be added into Elements lore. They are just for fun, and use Elements as a theme because.. well, this is Elements forum.

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Re: Voting: Elements Short Story Competition (Mystery/Sci-fi/Romance) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10131.msg125177#msg125177
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2010, 11:53:04 pm »
Have you any constructive criticism to offer, beyond "you all suck"?  Otherwise you are only cutting us all down.

None of us would have been the wiser if you simply hadn't voted, and I doubt any of us will lose any sleep over not getting a vote from you - you're sounding very arrogant right now.

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I hold true to the short notion given by Zanz at the start of the game and have yet to see any literature that seems to hold to that detail.
He didn't post in the competition entry topic... what notion are you referring to?
I never said you suck. If you were a candidate for a writing competition outside of this and I said I didn't like what you wrote would you think I said you suck?
It's an opinion poll not a measure of skill in an official measure of writing. I would have said nothing more than I disliked all the stories but you asked why.

The Zanz entry I refer to is at www.elementsthegame.com when you play the game everyday. It has an explanation of the world where the player is an elemental and the creatures of the world are at its behest. Nothing I've read seems to stick to that at all and I'm quite sick of the Human Magicians running around casting magic. Its a dislike of mine regarding elements literature.



none passed my standard
You must have pretty darn high standards here, some of the content written by people is of a very high quality
Depending on what I measure, I do. I'm often branded as an Elitist (sometimes with either Jerk or and Cruel depending on which end of my elitism the person branding me is). I don't mind, when asked to measure I do it honestly. The praise I give is true and earned.



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I hold true to the short notion given by Zanz at the start of the game and have yet to see any literature that seems to hold to that detail.
He didn't post in the competition entry topic... what notion are you referring to?
I would assume he meant Scaredgirl
No, I meant Zanz.



Wow. It amazes me that you have the nerve to come here and basically say all these stories suck. I think they are very good quality but that's irrelevant really. Even if they looked like they were written by a 9-year-old, you should still have some respect towards people who spent their time writing these stories. They were never intended to be added into Elements lore. They are just for fun, and use Elements as a theme because.. well, this is Elements forum.
Never said suck anywhere.
Never referenced 9-year olds.

Just said that I didn't like them all and rather than favouring one over another chose to abstain.


I don't know how the rest of the world measures things, but when I pick up a paper in the morning and find nothing I like, the paper doesn't suddenly get considered to suck.
When I say I liked none of the stories in regards to their Elements Connection or as stories, its what I meant "I did not like them"  nothing more.
There is no sudden malice to the authors or anything else, just a dislike by me to the stories.
I don't like Harry Potter or Twighlight but their sales dictate they are far from sucking.

I expected that if anyone considered that my opinion was of some great measure of talent that they would ask for advice and if they considered me just a regular like everyone else that their reaction would have been "Ok, he doesn't like my story, but I didn't lose his vote to someone else". Instead I get a backlash suggesting I am arrogant and am treating people like children.

Re: Voting: Elements Short Story Competition (Mystery/Sci-fi/Romance) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10131.msg125270#msg125270
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2010, 12:50:45 am »
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I never said you suck. If you were a candidate for a writing competition outside of this and I said I didn't like what you wrote would you think I said you suck?
It's an opinion poll not a measure of skill in an official measure of writing. I would have said nothing more than I disliked all the stories but you asked why.
Yeah, I paraphrased.  At least when Miniwally brought negative things to bear, he was detailed and constructive.

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The Zanz entry I refer to is at www.elementsthegame.com when you play the game everyday. It has an explanation of the world where the player is an elemental and the creatures of the world are at its behest. Nothing I've read seems to stick to that at all and I'm quite sick of the Human Magicians running around casting magic. Its a dislike of mine regarding elements literature.
Scaredgirl is the one running this competition, and all entries held to her standards.  It is your opinion that they ought to be held to something else - an opinion no one seems to share.  I respect your right to hold that opinion, but it's not going to hold any sway here.

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Depending on what I measure, I do. I'm often branded as an Elitist (sometimes with either Jerk or and Cruel depending on which end of my elitism the person branding me is). I don't mind, when asked to measure I do it honestly. The praise I give is true and earned.
No one asked you to measure this.  You stepped in here of your own accord.  So I guess I'll go back to my original reply: "Why even post then, Kael?"  I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you weren't trying to cut people down, and weren't trying to push your ego, but I can't find a possible third reason, since nothing you've said so far has been constructive in the least.

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When I say I liked none of the stories in regards to their Elements Connection or as stories, its what I meant "I did not like them"  nothing more.
My "you all suck" paraphrase was meant to convey the fact that you stepped into this thread and said something which served no one but yourself, from what I can tell.  I don't see you as malicious, merely a bit self-important.

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I expected that if anyone considered that my opinion was of some great measure of talent that they would ask for advice and if they considered me just a regular like everyone else that their reaction would have been "Ok, he doesn't like my story, but I didn't lose his vote to someone else". Instead I get a backlash suggesting I am arrogant and am treating people like children.
This is what you should expect when you offer an expression of negative opinion without anything further.  If I went into someone's card idea thread and said ONLY "I don't like this idea," about five people would be asking me why.  Or why I even posted.

I'm not offended on my own behalf in the least.  I know stories aren't capable of pleasing everyone who reads them, and the story was written more for me than for anyone else.  I'm just curious... what did you hope to accomplish by posting in the first place?

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Re: Voting: Elements Short Story Competition (Mystery/Sci-fi/Romance) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10131.msg125296#msg125296
« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2010, 01:12:38 am »
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Scaredgirl is the one running this competition, and all entries held to her standards.  It is your opinion that they ought to be held to something else - an opinion no one seems to share.  I respect your right to hold that opinion, but it's not going to hold any sway here.
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I'm not offended on my own behalf in the least.  I know stories aren't capable of pleasing everyone who reads them, and the story was written more for me than for anyone else.  I'm just curious... what did you hope to accomplish by posting in the first place?
So I'm allowed to have an opinion in an opinion poll but if its in anyway negative I should state nothing?

I was stating my opinion in this opinion poll, I would have stated it with vote if that matched my opinion, but I could not.
So I used the medium offered and stated my opinion by declaring abstention.

The standard for the best of these is measured by the community, not Scaredgirl.  This is why there is an opinion poll rather than a declaration by SG on who the winner is by her choice. SG measured your entry when she created the rules for the competition and decided your entry was suitable as a finalist. I decided that I liked none of the finalists enough to give one a vote over any other.

In regards to Card idea vs this Poll; the first is offered for criticism and reconstruction, the second is purely opinion.
Regardless of what I say your story needs or lacks you cannot change the result you have entered. So all I offered is opinion.

Re: Voting: Elements Short Story Competition (Mystery/Sci-fi/Romance) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10131.msg125323#msg125323
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2010, 02:09:19 am »
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So I'm allowed to have an opinion in an opinion poll but if its in anyway negative I should state nothing?
Miniwally had plenty of negative things to say, but he was detailed and the people reading benefited from it.  Glitch even thanked him.  I see no value in your original post for anyone other than yourself.  Maybe I should rephrase the question: how can any of us benefit from knowing that you were abstaining because you didn't like any entry?

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The standard for the best of these is measured by the community, not Scaredgirl.  This is why there is an opinion poll rather than a declaration by SG on who the winner is by her choice. SG measured your entry when she created the rules for the competition and decided your entry was suitable as a finalist. I decided that I liked none of the finalists enough to give one a vote over any other.
Then we're in agreement.  I thought you were "disqualifying" all entries because they didn't measure up to some standard you took from Zanz.

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Regardless of what I say your story needs or lacks you cannot change the result you have entered. So all I offered is opinion.
No story here exists in the vacuum of this competition.  I appreciate any constructive feedback even now, since I can edit the story and it will exist when the poll has closed.  Maybe I'll even create a separate thread for entries that have been edited by their authors after they were entered, who knows.

Are these stories not worth more than "I don't like this" to you?  I only took an hour or so on mine, but I know others reviewed and edited for perhaps a week.

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Re: Voting: Elements Short Story Competition (Mystery/Sci-fi/Romance) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10131.msg125326#msg125326
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2010, 02:17:24 am »
Wow, another nice little discussion sprang up here, keep going. These kinds of discussions are always interesting to read. :P

On a side note, seems like my story has one of the least votes, just like last time  :-[. Not surprising though, I love writing stories but, my friends never seemed to inclined to read them. :P I guess my style of writing doesn't fit the public taste.

Re: Voting: Elements Short Story Competition (Mystery/Sci-fi/Romance) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10131.msg125330#msg125330
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2010, 02:21:48 am »
People these days don't like tragedies, too.  My sister-in-law didn't like my story; the 4 votes for Luka are my own and likely 3 people who just liked the style (or maybe her accent).  I figured the sad ending would kill my chances... could be for other reasons, but I was expecting it.

Anyway, cheer up again!  The competition inspired us both to write fun stories.  That's good enough for me!  Cheers to Hobnob and Glitch, who have pulled ahead.  Congrats to whoever wins.

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Re: Voting: Elements Short Story Competition (Mystery/Sci-fi/Romance) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10131.msg125331#msg125331
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2010, 02:23:15 am »
I liked Luka quite a bit, but my only beef was the confusion.  If you had ever put a simple "I said" somewhere in there, I'd be able to figure out which one is you.  I was confused the whole time.

 

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