Vote for Winner: Best Card Idea

[Scaredgirl]

Why is copying the power of my opponents Arsenic a Light Elemental Effect?

That is actually a good point. I didn't even think about the choice of element when I reviewed Crusader.

Light is not a good choice for Crusader. In fact it's probably the worst choice because stealing things is not "good" or "pure".

Darkness would have been a much better choice.

That might even be enough for me to chance my vote.

I edited the post in there so it reflects who did the art. I didn't see who did the art when I found it the first time, so thanks for finding that for me. In all seriousness, I never intended to steal anything, and if I have broken a law, please show it to me, because I am not entirely familiar with how a copyrighted piece of art should be handled when it is so freely available like this. Clearly we all need to learn about this if it really is serious, because it was stated in the card idea contest rules that the art didn't matter and it was okay to borrow an image. I eagerly await your reply.

Technically every time you use someone elses image it's stealing. Whether or not you credited the artist is irrelevant, it's still just as much "stealing" as it is if you didn't credit the artist. Otherwise I could just copy-paste entire websites, use the text and images on my own website, and just add a line of credit on the bottom.

You guys are right about adding the artists name. We have to change that rule asap. Even though it doesn't change the situation legally, we should still give the artist credit. I'll add a line of text on the card template.

Also maybe there is some fantasy-art website that we could make a deal with. We can use their images in our card ideas, and we include the name of the artist and a link to the website in every single card. I'll have to look into that.

[jmizzle7]

Who said anything about Crusader "stealing" a weapon? It doesn't destroy your opponent's weapon. The Crusader becomes divinely imbued with its power.

[Daxx]

Isn't debating about use of the image somewhat irrelevant when the rules specifically state:

- You can use Google image search (or anything you want) to find a picture for your card as this competition is only about the idea, not the art

I think since it was extremely clear that jmizzle7 wasn't laying any claim to the image in any way (in fact he did explicitly note that the credit should go to someone else, which was more than anyone else in the competition did, in addition to the implicit assumption that card art in this thread was not original) you'd have a hard time getting anywhere beyond serving a DMCA takedown notice. It's not like the art is going to end up in the final game, after all.

[Scaredgirl]

Who said anything about Crusader "stealing" a weapon? It doesn't destroy your opponent's weapon. The Crusader becomes divinely imbued with its power.

Well, I see this kind of "copying" as Darkness or Entropy ability.

Arsenic for example is an evil weapon that spreads poison. And what about Vampire Stiletto? I don't see a noble creature of Light doing anything like that.

I think since it was extremely clear that jmizzle7 wasn't laying any claim to the image in any way (in fact he did explicitly note that the credit should go to someone else, which was more than anyone else in the competition did, in addition to the implicit assumption that card art in this thread was not original) you'd have a hard time getting anywhere beyond serving a DMCA takedown notice. It's not like the art is going to end up in the final game, after all.

Yep. With copyright there is the theory and the reality. In theory we are evil thiefs who are all going to jail. In reality nobody cares and nothing is going to happen.

As long as you don't..

1. Try to make money with it
2. Claim it's yours
3. Refuse to remove it if asked be the artist

.. you will be fine.

For those interested in law, here is an article about fair use (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html) and copyright.

I have a great respect for these artists so their name should be mentioned for sure. This should have been done since day one and it's my fault we didn't do it. I have updated the card template and from now on the artists name has to be visible or the image will be removed.

[jmizzle7]

I could see that copying is an Entropy/Darkness thing. I still think it can work within the Light element, but I totally understand where you are coming from.

[Scaredgirl]

I could see that copying is an Entropy/Darkness thing. I still think it can work within the Light element, but I totally understand where you are coming from.

If the ability cost Darkness it would have been perfect.

It's just like crusaders in real life. They were supposed to have this divine "just cause" (and probably thought that themselves) but the reality was quite different and some evil things were happening.

[jmizzle7]

I could see that copying is an Entropy/Darkness thing. I still think it can work within the Light element, but I totally understand where you are coming from.

If the ability cost Darkness it would have been perfect.

It's just like crusaders in real life. They were supposed to have this divine "just cause" (and probably thought that themselves) but the reality was quite different and some evil things were happening.

Right. Well, there's no such thing as a perfect card idea before it goes through the process, eh?
Besides, if zanz decides to use any of these ideas, I would certainly expect him to make changes to reflect his vision for his game.
EDIT: I think the ability cost as Darkness quanta would be pretty dang cool.

[Scaredgirl]

I could see that copying is an Entropy/Darkness thing. I still think it can work within the Light element, but I totally understand where you are coming from.

If the ability cost Darkness it would have been perfect.

It's just like crusaders in real life. They were supposed to have this divine "just cause" (and probably thought that themselves) but the reality was quite different and some evil things were happening.

Right. Well, there's no such thing as a perfect card idea before it goes through the process, eh?
Besides, if zanz decides to use any of these ideas, I would certainly expect him to make changes to reflect his vision for his game.
EDIT: I think the ability cost as Darkness quanta would be pretty dang cool.

True. But since this is a competition, all ideas are expected to be complete and should be rated as complete ideas. What Zanz does with these ideas is irrelevant to this competition. Game balance is not important because that's not related to the idea itself, but the card should make sense and fit the theme.

Loki managed to do it perfectly imo. Entropy is the best element for that kind of card and the fact that the ability costs Darkness is a nice touch and makes perfect sense.

[vrt]

If there's any problem whatsoever with card art, I'll remake the image for it.

[Scaredgirl]

If there's any problem whatsoever with card art, I'll remake the image for it.

I'm way ahead of you..

I hereby give Zanz the right to use this image in any way he wants.

[Kael Hate]

I edited the post in there so it reflects who did the art. I didn't see who did the art when I found it the first time, so thanks for finding that for me. In all seriousness, I never intended to steal anything, and if I have broken a law, please show it to me, because I am not entirely familiar with how a copyrighted piece of art should be handled when it is so freely available like this. Clearly we all need to learn about this if it really is serious, because it was stated in the card idea contest rules that the art didn't matter and it was okay to borrow an image. I eagerly await your reply.

Argh, lost my Original reply.

Anyhow.

Image owned by WarlordCCG, Phoenix Interactive and Hasbro.
They have  rights because the Idea was submitted with the image that :
- The idea or variation of the idea not be used or implemented
- That if implemented that they may recover gains aquired from the use of the idea
- If dividends can not be directly evaluated from the use of the idea, claim ownership of the product or development of the product in which the idea is used.

This in an extreme case should the companied wish to take action but if so could claim Elements if the idea is used.


In regards to the personal use of the image for gain, it has been mentioned that the image has added to the apeal of the idea and you will gain a prize for the winning of this competition. Personally I don't care. I just posted the artist name because it wasn't creditied earlier and people wanted to know. It will never have a hope of getting into the game because the image is previously licenced to another game.

I reply to the actual card idea in another post.

[Kael Hate]

If there's any problem whatsoever with card art, I'll remake the image for it.

I'm way ahead of you..

I hereby give Zanz the right to use this image in any way he wants.

*Hahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahhahha, falling on the floor out my beanbag still laughing*

PRO!