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Title: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 08, 2011, 09:16:22 pm

Competition: Prophet of Cards
Original Idea by Kuroaitou | Art by Kuroaitou (modified Elements slots)

(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd223796/Slot_artwork.jpg)

The "Prophet" will create several card ideas in secret; participants must try their best to use randomized given clues to try to remake those cards as accurately as possible.

RULES

Ready for another crazy card design competition?

• Anyone can join this competition (no sign-ups!), but participants MUST read the following rules carefully.
  
• The Competition Organizer will create 3 single non-paired non-Other/"pseudo element" creature card ideas (i.e. - of one version, specifically the non-upped version) in secret unknown to all other participants. These cards will only be known to the CO and possibly the administrator (Scaredgirl).
  
• The main objective is to try to replicate those cards; there are three major phases of this competition: Hinting/Questions (both of these parts are the design phase, meaning that when you read this topic, the design phase has already 'begun'!), and Scoring.
  
• During the Questioning Phase, all participants may ask ONE set of yes or no questions (3 questions maximum) on this topic regarding the three cards. The CO will personally answer all questions via Personal messages to the participants, and ALL questions (regardless if they are a yes/no question or not) will be answered with a yes or a no. Also note that you will receive 3 points for every question you choose not to ask (up to a bonus of 9), based on the scoring table below.
  
• If you ask more than 3 questions, I will only answer the first 3.
  
• The following examples below here are examples of CORRECT and ILLEGAL questions to ask. Remember, illegal questions will be still be answered with a yes or a no.
  
• CORRECT:
  "Card 1: Is this card from an element that contains 4 or more Creatures?" (Yes)
  "Were any of the cards directly based or inspired off an idea in the Crucible Archive?" (No)
  "Are the hints for the 'STATS' section listed in order of Card 1, Card 2, and Card 3?" (No)
  
• ILLEGAL:
  "Card 1: Is this card a creature or a spell?" (Yes)
  "What is the mechanic of the third card?" (No)
  "Can you give me the answers pretty please?" (No)
  

• Following the Questioning Phase, the Hinting Phase occurs. A table of scrambled clues (but organized by the category they 'hint' at) will be provided to everyone. The following categories and number of 'hints' (in parenthesis) provided for each category are as follows: NAME (2), ELEMENT (2), COST (1), STATS (1), ABILITY/MECHANICS (2)
  
• Participants are NOT ALLOWED to share their answers (from the questions) with anyone! If a person is caught trying to share (or worse, steal) answers/card images from someone else via any means, they will automatically be disqualified for this competition and the following competition.

SUBMIT ALL YOUR CARD IDEAS HERE: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,30749.0.html

• Most important, once your cards have been submitted, you are NOT allowed to make any changes to them whatsoever. If you edit your post, it will be removed. This is because people who wait to post their card ideas will obviously have an advantage by (possibly) looking at the previous submissions and modifying their 3 cards accordingly. Of course, those who post earlier will get bonus points (See 'Delivery (#post_delivery)'). If you have a typo or want to change your card idea, you must post again (thus, it's important that you try to get it as perfect as you want it on the first posting).
  

HINTS:

(Note: Imagine that each of the statements has the phrase, "One of these cards..." before it - each hint specifically belongs to a random card, although they are not in order, meaning that each set of hints has one hint for the topic in question. Also, all of the hints are referring to non-upped creatures (EXCEPT FOR THE LAST ONE IN 'STATS').)

Tortuga
Mandrake
Goliath Beetle

NAME

• Technically comprised of two words (no space in between); one being one of the most populous species on the Earth, and the other being a person who has collaborated with Nicki Minaj (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicki_Minaj). {One of the most populous species on earth refers to 'Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human)' - 'Drake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_(entertainer))' is the name of an R&B singer who has sang songs with Nicki Minaj}
• Has a Spanish-translated name of one of my cards that I created from a long while ago. {"Tortuga" is the Spanish translation of the creature, Turtle or in my case, Tortoise (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10676.0.html)}
• Is a combination of two names (two names with a space in between): one from the bible, the other for a strong 6-legged creature. {The Story of David and Goliath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath) is a relatively well-known fable in the book; Beetles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle) are known to be fairly resilient 6-legged insects}

NAME

• Has the vowels, A, E, I & O somewhere in its name. {Goliath Beetle}
• Can have its name cut in half and be a synonym to the word, “broom”. {Mand + Rake --- Rake being the synonym}
• Ends with the letter “A”. {Tortuga}

ELEMENT

• Comes from an element that has access to at least 4 non-pillar/non-pendulum/non-mark permanents. {Thorn Carapace, Emerald Shield, Druidic Staff, Empathic Bond}
• Would have to deal with a total of 9 cards (sum of all creatures and non-pillar/pendulum/mark permanents) from its opposite element. {Entropy (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/elements/entropy/) has 2 permanents (Dissipation Shield, Discord) and 7 creatures (Lycanthrope, Maxwell's Demon, Fallen Elf, Purple Nymph, Amethyst Dragon, Abomination, & Schrodinger's Cat) - emphasis on the word OPPOSITE}
• Comes from an element that can repeatedly produce a very specific creature of its element. {Nymph Queen can repeatedly reproduce herself given a stack of Water Pillars or Pendulums}

ELEMENT

• Comes from an element that has all of its non-upped in-game creatures that can survive against a single Thunderstorm. {Self-explanatory (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/elements/gravity/)}
• Can target a permanent with cards of its element. {Nymph's Tears can target pillars}
• Part of an element that has a creature that is capable of gaining both an ATK and a HP boost. {Forest Spirit (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/cards-life/forest-spirit-forest-spectre/) is a Life creature capable of getting both an ATK boost and a HP boost with its ability, "Growth"}

COST

• Has its cost equal to its ATK stat. {6 ATK}
• Has its cost equal to the number of letters in one of the Competition Organizer’s names. {Kuroaitou = 9 letters. :P}
• Has its cost equal to the number of letters in its mechanic’s/ability’s name. {Wail = 4 letters}

STATS

• This card’s HP is half of its ATK; its ATK is within 2 points of a creature that is capable of Burrowing. {A Shrieker has the stats, 8|3 - its attack is 2 less than that. Finally, half of 6 is 3, which gives its stats 6|3.}
• When compared to a creature that requires an off-element cost for its ability, its HP is exactly the same, and its ATK is one less than it. {Firefly Queen requires :life instead of :air for its Firefly-generation ability; FFQ has 3 ATK, but Mandrake only has 2 ATK (one less)}
• Has the inverted (HP and ATK is swapped) stats of an upgraded dragon. {Ivory Dragon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/cards-death/bone-dragon-ivory-dragon/) (upped form of Bone Dragon) has stats 11|5 - inverting them would put them into 5|11}

MECHANIC

• The name of the ability has the exact same pronunciation as a creature that is commonly (controversially) hunted in Japan. {Wail = Whale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_whaling#Opposition)}
• The cost of this ability is of the same element as the most common ability found within the game. {1 :earth is the casting cost of the most common ability, Burrow (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/ability/burrow/) (Devourers, Antlions, and Shrikers have this ability. No other ability is reused 3 or more times on different creatures}
• The cost of this ability is the same as the element of the card. {Self-explanatory}

MECHANIC

• The mechanic can be detrimental against players that want to immortalize it, but it can also destroy weapons or kill creatures given the right conditions. {Using Quintessence on this creature will cause it to cast Shockwave on the player, thus causing damage. Interestingly, if a player with a frozen weapon casts a spell on this, the 'Shockwave' effect will effectively shatter their weapon. Creatures with low HP (like Bloodsucker) will die from the Shockwave spell.}
• This mechanic will stop the creature from attacking. However it can provide protection against cards/abilities like Rage Potion, Snipe, and Infection, but it cannot protect against Devour, Paradox, or Reverse Time. {The first three spells cause damage, thus nothing happens to Tortuga when it uses its ability, "Withdraw". However, Paradox, Reverse Time, and Devour remove the Tortuga without damaging it, so those effects still pull through}
• This mechanic can deal a potential 15 damage towards a certain creature without buffs, but it cannot kill one with exactly 2 HP. {Massive Dragon (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/cards-gravity/colossal-dragon-massive-dragon/) has 30 HP, meaning that the Goliath Beetle can slice its figurative HP in half to 15. A creature with 2 HP however will only half its HP halved, thus it won't die (it'll only go to 1 HP).}

BONUS

• All of the cards are of different elements (remember – NONE OF THEM are ‘Other’!).
• None of the cards have the letter “X” in their names, ability names, or mechanics’ description.
• All of the mechanics' descriptions require 3 lines or more using Planplan’s Card Image Builder.

• Once all the cards have been submitted, the submission topic will be locked and the Prophet's cards will be revealed (alongside tips on how the cards related to clues), and the Scoring Phase will then occur.
• The Scoring table will be put in a spoiler below; whoever gets the most points win! But if a tie occurs, a vote will be made for the community to decide who was more capable of replicating the Prophets cards.

THE THREE CARDS:

(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd224215/Mandrake.png)(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd224214/Tortuga.png)(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd224213/Goliath_Beetle.png)

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Scores are non cumulative (i.e. - have the exact Card Name won't net you 7 points), except in the cases of MECHANICS/ABILITY and "Delivery".

NAME	Completely non-relevant	Contains part of the name or is similar	Exact name (first one to post it)
SCORE	+0	+2	+3 (+5)

ELEMENT	Wrong Element	Matching Element
SCORE	+0	+4

COST	More than 3 quanta away	2-3 quanta away	1 quanta away	Matching cost
SCORE	+0	+1	+3	+5

STATS	(ATK is off by more than 4/HP is off by  more than 4)	ATK is within 3-4 points/HP  is within 3-4 points	ATK is within 1-2 points/HP  is within 1-2 points	ATK matches the card/HP  matches the card
SCORE	+0/+0	**+1/+1	**+2/+2	**+3/+3

** = ATK and HP scores are counted separately

MECHANICS/ ABILITY	Mechanic has nothing in common	Mechanic has similar (exact) name	Mechanic has the correct activation cost (elemental type)	Skill/Ability resembles (mimics) the Prophet's Card Mechanic
SCORE+	+0	+1 (+3)	+2 (+4)	+1-?^ (+10)

+ = It's possible to gain points from each of the sections above
^ = Subjective grading will be explained in this section when necessary

Delivery	Posted all three cards first/in position:	Did not ask questions during the Question Stage	Created VERY similar art to the Prophet's Card
SCORE+	+6 (Posts 1-4) +4 (Posts 5-9) +2 (Posts 10-16) +1 (Posts 17-25) +0 (Posts 26 or higher)	+9 (0 questions asked) +6 (1 question asked) +3 (2 questions asked) +0 (3 questions asked)	+8^

+ = It's possible to gain points from each of the sections above
^ = Subjective grading will be explained in this section when necessary

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FAQ:
Q: "Wait, so there's no voting this time around?"
A: "If there's a tie based on the score board, the list of cards will be put up in a poll and voted on."

Q: "No no, I meant WHY is there no voting this time around?"
A: "...several reasons. 1) To test how the community reacts to objective-based competitions where points are all that matters, and not vote count, 2) To discourage card-idea advertisement spam (you can't really advertise your idea, unless you want to be barred from the following competition), and 3) gives me something 'fun' to do in terms of actually hosting a competition. :)"

Q: "How can I know if a question is 'illegal' or not?"
A: "You'll find out if I respond to that question. ;)"

Q: "When I post the card images here, how do I- "
A: "Read the rules carefully. Remember that ALL OF THE CARDS ARE UNUPPED CREATURES. That should be enough of a hint for you already!  :))"

Q: "So I have to resubmit my card if I realized that I made a tiny typo and lose the +6 point bonus from posting third?"
A: "Sadly, yes. This is to prevent people from randomly trying to gain the +6 point bonus by posting (in the submissions topic) a bunch of random and lafirue cards, looking at other ideas that people submit later on, and then modifying their cards to match accordingly."

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SCORING PHASE:
The Winner shall be announced soon.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Scaredgirl on September 08, 2011, 09:19:35 pm

This should be interesting. :)

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Jocko on September 08, 2011, 09:37:16 pm

+rep for very original competition.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kakerlake on September 08, 2011, 09:47:45 pm

Quote from: Kuroaitou on September 08, 2011, 09:16:22 pm

• ILLEGAL:
  "Card 1: Is this card a creature or a spell?" (Yes)
  "Can you give me the answers pretty please?" (No)
  

These answers shouldn't be Illegal!
You can answer both of them truthfully with "Yes" or "No"... even though it doesn't really help the user in the slightest.

Also, please explain what non-paired means.
I @ no understand this!
Can't decide wheter it means that they don't share an element, name, ability or whatever you can pair cards on.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: OldTrees on September 08, 2011, 10:00:10 pm

I will be following but not participating the first time.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 08, 2011, 10:00:55 pm

Quote from: Kakerlake on September 08, 2011, 09:47:45 pm

These answers shouldn't be Illegal!
You can answer both of them truthfully with "Yes" or "No"... even though it doesn't really help the user in the slightest.

Then try to think of GOOD yes/no questions that -will- help you then Kakerlake. :)

Quote from: Kakerlake on September 08, 2011, 09:47:45 pm

Also, please explain what non-paired means.
I @ no understand this!

It means that all 3 card ideas WILL NOT HAVE AN UPGRADED VERSION. (Read the submissions thread for more details). Non-paired = only the non-upped version of the card idea is considered.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: TheManuz on September 08, 2011, 10:46:23 pm

So we can already start to make questions here? (please, don't count this as a question!  :P)
This seems hard, but very interesting also!

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 08, 2011, 10:47:36 pm

Quote from: TheManuz on September 08, 2011, 10:46:23 pm

So we can already start to make questions here? (please, don't count this as a question!  :P)
This seems hard, but very interesting also!

I won't count it as a question, but yes, you can start asking questions IN THIS TOPIC now.

Answers (about the cards), however, will be sent privately. ;)

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Xenocidius on September 08, 2011, 11:33:14 pm

Were any of the cards inspired by cards in the Forge or Armory (or respective Archives)?
Are any of the cards from :darkness, :aether or :fire?
Do any of the card names contain a 'Q'?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: n00b on September 08, 2011, 11:33:53 pm

Quote from: Jocko on September 08, 2011, 09:37:16 pm

+rep for very original competition.

x2... nice idea, with the right stuffs and peoples, this comp will be fun and stuffs... okay, my commenting is done... to the Batmobile! *grabs and noms cookies on the way*

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: karis on September 09, 2011, 12:32:53 am

you mean   you will answer that question with PM?      and to make sure...  please don't count this question in.  :P

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Rutarete on September 09, 2011, 01:40:26 am

Are the elements for the cards one of these 4 elements: :fire :water :air :earth?
Are the concepts/mechanics based off of magic/fantasy?
Are any of them vanilla?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 09, 2011, 02:49:19 am

Quote from: karis on September 09, 2011, 12:32:53 am

you mean   you will answer that question with PM?      and to make sure...  please don't count this question in.  :P

I will answer questions regarding the cards via personal message (i.e. - PM), yes. :) I won't count this either.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: TuckingFypo on September 09, 2011, 03:19:11 am

Are of the cards' mechanics/abilities inspired by or are SIMILAR to a card in the Armory or a card already in-game?

Do at least 2 of the cards have an attack stat of 0, 1, 3, 5, or 7?

Do at least 2 of the cards belong in an element beginning with the letters, A, B, C, D, or E?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Cel on September 09, 2011, 03:44:11 am

Are the combined stats (Atk + HP) of any of the cards higher than 12?
Are the costs of the cards balanced?
Are any of the cards of the following elements  :earth :light :death :darkness?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: karis on September 09, 2011, 03:57:56 am

can't share (or worse steal) a card idea?   what about we PM a card to you  not in that card topic?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 09, 2011, 04:16:32 am

Quote from: karis on September 09, 2011, 03:57:56 am

can't share (or worse steal) a card idea?   what about we PM a card to you  not in that card topic?

By 'Share/steal', I mean if you ask your 3 questions regarding the cards and then SHARE YOUR ANSWERS with the world, you're disqualified. Likewise, if I hear reports of people trying to 'bribe' each other for their answers, they'll be automatically removed from the competition. Don't send me cards via PM - I'll ignore them completely, regardless of whether they were supposed to be in the submission thread or not.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Essence on September 09, 2011, 04:39:06 am

Do all three creatures have active abilities?
Do any of the creatures have passive abilities?
Is there at least one stat (ATK|HP) among the six listed that is higher than any current sample of that stat currently in-game?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: karis on September 09, 2011, 06:43:14 am

so i must create 3 card with 3 hint....     and it must to be a correct position too? 

ok...   and now share/steal mean that...   isn't it mean that i can look at other card before i do anything....   maybe good....  or not....    ^-^

maybe last question(that don't count).  about score table....  that for only 1 card right?   i will get a 4*3 score if i can matching three element?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: The_Mormegil on September 09, 2011, 08:39:42 am

I ask no questions but I still want to participate! Me wants 9 extra points, thank you!

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: dracomageat on September 09, 2011, 05:05:11 pm

Do any of the cards cost 0?
Are any of them blue or turquoise bordered?
Are any of them creatures?
Do I only get 3 questions?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Cel on September 09, 2011, 06:02:16 pm

Quote from: dracomageat on September 09, 2011, 05:05:11 pm

Are any of them creatures?
Do I only get 3 questions?

Quote

-snip-
The Competition Organizer will create 3 single non-paired non-Other/"pseudo element" creature card ideas (i.e. - of one version, specifically the non-upped version) in secret unknown to all other participants. These cards will only be known to the CO and possibly the administrator (Scaredgirl).
-snip-
If you ask more than 3 questions, I will only answer the first 3.
-snip-

Basically what I'm try to say is all three cards are creatures, and also yes, you only get 3 votes.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: bogtro on September 09, 2011, 06:16:16 pm

(This isn't a competition question): Can we ask 1 question, recieve the answer, ask another question, receive the answer, and then ask another question, or do all 3 have to be in the same post? Are we allowed to ask conditional questions (i.e. Q1: Do any cards devour? Q2: If yes: Is the card using devour in the element Gravity - If no: Do any cards grow?)?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 09, 2011, 07:07:21 pm

Quote from: bogtro on September 09, 2011, 06:16:16 pm

(This isn't a competition question): Can we ask 1 question, recieve the answer, ask another question, receive the answer, and then ask another question, or do all 3 have to be in the same post? Are we allowed to ask conditional questions (i.e. Q1: Do any cards devour? Q2: If yes: Is the card using devour in the element Gravity - If no: Do any cards grow?)?

Please try to consolidate your questions into one post so that i can see what your '3 questions' are. If you spread them out, I might skip over them (which will grant you the bonus points for not asking questions, although that would hurt your understanding of the cards).

Conditional questions are illegal technically, because I will (again) answer the first three questions I see with a yes or a no. So using that conditional, regardless of whether or not I answer yes or no on the first one, both of the questions in the conditional will still be answered with a yes/no,and the 'real' third question will be ignored.

Quote from: karis on September 09, 2011, 06:43:14 am

so i must create 3 card with 3 hint....     and it must to be a correct position too? 

ok...   and now share/steal mean that...   isn't it mean that i can look at other card before i do anything....   maybe good....  or not....    ^-^

maybe last question(that don't count).  about score table....  that for only 1 card right?   i will get a 4*3 score if i can matching three element?

3 questions, hints will be coming later - during the 'Hinting' Phase, one specific hint will allow people to organize their cards accordingly so I can see which card is which.

Yes, the downfall of posting earlier in the submissions thread is that others can tweak their idea and post it after yours to gather more points. Of course, if you're wrong on some parts, and they copy those wrong parts, then they're more likely to fail compared to you. You can also repost your idea, assuming you're willing to give up your position in the submissions thread.

Correct - each score is applied to each card individually. If you get all 3 elements right (fat chance, but I won't doubt the possibility of someone getting it right ;) ), you get 12 points.

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By the way, for those who are concerned about scoring, the point system is categorized so that the maximum number of points you can get on a single card idea is 60, meaning that if someone is telepathic psychopath, that you get up to 180 points total.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: dracomageat on September 09, 2011, 08:16:52 pm

Aww, I missed one word and wasted a question because of it.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Xenocidius on September 09, 2011, 11:02:09 pm

I didn't realise we got points for not asking questions ...

/facepalm

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: TheManuz on September 10, 2011, 10:54:17 am

Quote from: Xenocidius on September 09, 2011, 11:02:09 pm

I didn't realise we got points for not asking questions ...

/facepalm

That's the reason i'm not asking anything.
And also because i can't think of any decent question!
Three questions for three cards are really few!

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: karis on September 10, 2011, 12:54:59 pm

Quote from: TheManuz on September 10, 2011, 10:54:17 am

Quote from: Xenocidius on September 09, 2011, 11:02:09 pm

I didn't realise we got points for not asking questions ...

/facepalm

That's the reason i'm not asking anything.
And also because i can't think of any decent question!
Three questions for three cards are really few!

same as me  :P

another question that don't count and don't lose any point...  can i still ask a question after prophet reply a hint?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on September 10, 2011, 05:14:21 pm

Do any of the cards have combined stats of more than 12?
Are any of the cards  :light  :darkness  :life  :death?
Do any of the cards have a brown or red border?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 10, 2011, 08:01:13 pm

Quote from: karis on September 10, 2011, 12:54:59 pm

same as me  :P

another question that don't count and don't lose any point...  can i still ask a question after prophet reply a hint?

No. Once the 'HINTING' phase begins, all questions regarding the cards themselves will be ignored (or in some cases, will actually cause you to LOSE MORE points than asking them in this phase).

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: mrpaper on September 11, 2011, 05:43:47 pm

any of em in entropy, death or gravity?
any of em in earth, life or fire?
we're there at least 2 of em in 1 of my 2 questions?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: The_Mormegil on September 11, 2011, 06:38:27 pm

Actually, I'm going to ask 3 questions for the hell of it. I know you'll hate me, Kuro, but hey, YOU decided for three questions!

1) If a is the number of cards with a cost between 1 and 3 (included) and b is the number of cards with a cost between 7 and 9, is the sentence "(a>1 AND b=0) OR (b>1 AND a=0) OR (a=2 AND b=1) OR (a=1 AND b=2)" true?

2) If a is the number of cards with a cost between 1 and 3 (included) and b is the number of cards with a cost between 7 and 9, is the sentence "(a>1 AND b=0) OR (b>1 AND a=0) OR (a=1 AND b=1) OR (a=1 AND b=0)" true?

3) If a is the number of cards with a cost between 1 and 3 (included) and b is the number of cards with a cost between 7 and 9, is the sentence "(a>1 AND b=0) OR (a=2 AND b=1) OR (a=1 AND b=1) OR (a=0 AND b=1)" true?

If you really don't want to bother with the logics, here is a quick recap of what these questions mean:

Answer #1	Answer #2	Answer #3	Number of creatures with a cost between 1 and 3	Number of creatures with a cost between 7 and 9
Y	Y	Y	2 or 3	0
Y	Y	N	0	2 or 3
Y	N	Y	2	1
Y	N	N	1	2
N	Y	Y	1	1
N	Y	N	1	0
N	N	Y	0	1
N	N	N	0	0

Moderator Comment Your table better organized?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: OldTrees on September 11, 2011, 07:51:33 pm

Your questions made me laugh The Mormegil. I was expecting someone to write tricky questions but I was not expecting the first to be so tricky.
 :))

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: karis on September 12, 2011, 01:32:36 am

i try to do something like that...  but it's absolute fail for me...    ^-^

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: TheManuz on September 12, 2011, 11:39:37 am

Awesomeness for The Mormegil and logic!

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: karis on September 12, 2011, 11:45:30 am

i still don't have any question yet (and maybe don't have until a hint come)

but kind of question that don't talk about a number of card (or something,  i mean  this competition have 3 card to think,  right?)  what answer will be? 

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Pythagoras on September 12, 2011, 01:28:22 pm

Do all cards have an ability?
Does at least one card hava an ability of a different element than the cards(e.g:lava destroyer)?
If  :aether=1, :air=2, :darkness=3, :death=4, :earth=5, :entropy=6, :fire=7, :gravity=8, :life=9, :light=10, :time=11 and :water=12; is the sum of the elements of the cards greater than 19?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 16, 2011, 05:58:04 am

HINTING PHASE has now begun! Analyze the hints carefully and remember the answers to your questions; good luck, and have fun designing! :)

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: The_Mormegil on September 16, 2011, 06:54:36 am

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(Note: Imagine that each of the statements has the phrase, "One of these cards..." before it - each hint specifically belongs to a random card, although they are not in order, meaning that each set of hints has one hint for the topic in question.)

Clarification needed: this means each set of three hints has one hint for each card regarding the topic in question, but that they are in random order, right? So the first three hints have exactly one hint per card (say, the first is a hint for card 2, the second for card 1 and the third for card 3), while the second three have another hint each, but (possibly) in a different order?

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 16, 2011, 07:01:22 am

Quote from: The Mormegil on September 16, 2011, 06:54:36 am

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(Note: Imagine that each of the statements has the phrase, "One of these cards..." before it - each hint specifically belongs to a random card, although they are not in order, meaning that each set of hints has one hint for the topic in question.)

Clarification needed: this means each set of three hints has one hint for each card regarding the topic in question, but that they are in random order, right? So the first three hints have exactly one hint per card (say, the first is a hint for card 2, the second for card 1 and the third for card 3), while the second three have another hint each, but (possibly) in a different order?

Yes to all of the questions. :) - This means each set has 3 hints, one hint for one card, organized in random order (potentially). ;)

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: The_Mormegil on September 16, 2011, 07:26:07 am

Another couple questions:

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Would have to deal with a total of 9 cards (sum of all creatures and non-pillar/pendulum permanents) from its opposite element.

Just to make sure, you counted all creatures (including Nymphs) and permanents excluding pillars, pendulums but including Marks? I think it's without Marks and it's a typo, but...

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Comes from an element that can repeatedly produce a very specific creature of its element.

This excludes ways to repeatedly generate a very specific (unique) creature of that element that allow to repeatedly generate also creatures from other elements, right? (There is a card that allows that).

EDIT: Also:

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Part of an element that has a creature that is capable of gaining both an ATK and a HP boost.

Does this include the use of other in-element cards or is it limited on the creature alone?

EDIT II:

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its ATK is within 2 points of a creature that is capable of Burrowing.

I protest on the most useless hint ever. At least specify if you are referring to unupped or upped and that you exclude mutations.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 16, 2011, 07:39:21 am

What is this? Question Phase part 2? :P

Quote from: The Mormegil on September 16, 2011, 07:26:07 am

Just to make sure, you counted all creatures (including Nymphs) and permanents excluding pillars, pendulums but including Marks? I think it's without Marks and it's a typo, but...

Shouldn't include marks. Modifying now.

Quote from: The Mormegil on September 16, 2011, 07:26:07 am

This excludes ways to repeatedly generate a very specific (unique) creature of that element that allow to repeatedly generate also creatures from other elements, right? (There is a card that allows that).

Can't answer this question.

Quote from: The Mormegil on September 16, 2011, 07:26:07 am

Does this include the use of other in-element cards or is it limited on the creature alone?

Creature alone.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: The_Mormegil on September 16, 2011, 07:46:58 am

Quote from: Kuroaitou on September 16, 2011, 07:39:21 am

What is this? Question Phase part 2? :P

Absolutely. :P Well, at least clarifications on the text and avoidance of useless loopholes (see the mutant burrowing above) are needed, I think. It's difficult enough as it is!

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: TuckingFypo on September 17, 2011, 05:54:51 am

Out of curiosity, could you please explain how the grading for the art is going to work?  :)

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: TheManuz on September 25, 2011, 10:54:15 am

I'm dying to see the prophet's cards!  :D

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 25, 2011, 11:34:18 am

Submission period now over! I'll be posting the cards and also highlighting their corresponding hints in the opening post shortly before doing the scoring. Aside from that, feel free to use the remainder of this period to discuss any feedback regarding this event, as I hope to revive in sometime in the future. :)

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: TheManuz on September 25, 2011, 11:57:01 am

Quote from: Kuroaitou on September 25, 2011, 11:34:18 am

Submission period now over! I'll be posting the cards and also highlighting their corresponding hints in the opening post shortly before doing the scoring. Aside from that, feel free to use the remainder of this period to discuss any feedback regarding this event, as I hope to revive in sometime in the future. :)

This was one of the most interesting Competition i ever done. I can't give feedbacks about scoring until i see the scoring phase in action, but for now i think that we should have a question phase after hints, or at least a freequestion phase before hints. Or maybe both!

The hints were hard but not impossible, i think that the level of difficulty was balanced. But maybe after seeing the cards my opinion could change!  :P

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Xenocidius on September 25, 2011, 11:59:20 am

Still annoyed at losing points for asking questions which didn't even help me at all. >.>

Nevertheless, a brilliant and creative competition. Good luck to all participants.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on September 25, 2011, 12:34:25 pm

Cards are now up! Scoring now in process.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: TheManuz on October 03, 2011, 08:01:47 am

I can't wait anymore!  :P

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Xenocidius on October 03, 2011, 08:42:46 am

Soon = over a week later.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: TheManuz on October 03, 2011, 08:50:32 am

Quote from: Xenocidius on October 03, 2011, 08:42:46 am

Soon = over a week later.

I guess that War is drawing attention.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kuroaitou on October 04, 2011, 08:32:39 am

For a close total of 57 points...

CONGRATULATIONS TO TheManuz !!! :D

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GENERAL NOTES:

• No points were awarded in the 'Art' bonus section. None of the artwork I felt had matched the aesthetic or quality of the pieces based on the art sources and modifications used. Art was an 'all or nothing' awarding area, and thus, no one really had the 'all' part of it down.
• 'Cost' is scored as such: The three values found on the cards are ordered from smallest to highest, and then compared to the numbers '4, 6, & 9'. Smallest number is compared to Mandrake's cost (4), and if it's exact or 2 quanta away, etc, then it gets scored accordingly, etc.
• Stats are scored as a bundle. For example: Set of three cards with stats (Kakerlake's) - {2|1, 5|4, & 5|13} are compared with the real stats {2|7, 6|3, & 5|11}. Two of the ATK values are exact (2 & the latter '5'), while one of them is -1 of the original ATK (5|4 <> 6|3). Thus, 8 points total for the ATK section there.
• Ability Name: +1 point for those who managed to fit the 'Don't attack' or otherwise paraphrased section into the :earth-costed ability, +3 for those who got the 'Wail' name correct.
• Ability Cost: +4 for those who managed to have the correct cost combination of the Withdraw ability (:earth), +2 for those who managed to get the :gravity element (but not the right activation cost) for the 'Pincer' skill

Major note:
In order for a person to get any 'Mechanics' points (up to 10), two conditions had to be met:
1) The mechanic had to be on the right CREATURE (to do this, I first base it on the name; if the names are wrong, I based the mechanics on which element they should belong to. If the elements are wrong, then I base it on the creatures that have the closest resembling 'costs' or stats, and if the costs and stats are all the same or completely too extreme, then I ignore scoring that section altogether.

2) Had to have precise wording in terms of what the mechanic could do. Explanations for mechanic-point rewarding is in the boxes as follows.

Participant	Card Names	Element	Cost	Stats (Atk+HP)	Ability Name	Ability Cost	Mechanics	Questions?	Post Rank	TOTAL
Kakerlake	0	8 ( :life :water)	7	12 (8 + 4)	1	4	0	9	6	47
Malignant	0	0 (none)	2	12 (8 + 4)	0	0	0	9	6	29
Xenocidius	5	8 ( :life :gravity)	7	14 (8 + 6)	4	6	5	0	6	55
TuckingFypo	0	8 ( :life :gravity)	11	13 (7 + 6)	3	4	1	0	6	46
TheManuz	13	4 ( :gravity)	8	9 (7 + 2)	3	4	3	9	4	57
The Mormegil	6	4 ( :gravity)	13	12 (7 + 5)	3	6	0	0	4	48

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Thanks again to the... six... participants... who entered the competition. ^^;

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: TheManuz on October 04, 2011, 08:47:18 am

Thanks to you, this was a fun competition!  ;)

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Xenocidius on October 04, 2011, 09:22:21 am

You're kidding. Had I asked one question less I would have won.

I'm not happy about the scoring, nor the fact that the penalty for asking questions wasn't made clearer at the beginning, but it was a fun competition.

Congratulations, TheManuz.

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Kakerlake on October 04, 2011, 06:43:58 pm

Congratulations TheManuz!

@Kuroaitou,
0 Points for Mechanics? o.O
I really don't like the scoring of this one. All the mechanics I wrote were quite close to your cards, except for that little element fail :(

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: The_Mormegil on October 04, 2011, 07:19:12 pm

Quote from: Kakerlake on October 04, 2011, 06:43:58 pm

Congratulations TheManuz!

@Kuroaitou,
0 Points for Mechanics? o.O
I really don't like the scoring of this one. All the mechanics I wrote were quite close to your cards, except for that little element fail :(

Title: Re: Competition: Prophet of Cards
Post by: Jocko on October 17, 2011, 02:24:58 am

I would have entered, but i had like 5 different options for each card and i couldn't get my mind on any.