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Re: Competition: Battle of the Opposing Elements! (Masters only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.msg46648#msg46648
« Reply #396 on: April 01, 2010, 03:09:08 pm »
Now it's LIGHT vs time vs earth!
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Re: Competition: Battle of the Opposing Elements! (Masters only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.msg46889#msg46889
« Reply #397 on: April 01, 2010, 09:18:19 pm »
Well, since the first four were ages ago, all I remember is that I used variations of a stall deck (using the sog and turtle shell synergy). With some power and lots of rewinds for control (rewinding mutants).

The last game by all rights Jmizzle should have won, but he got a bad draw (was using a 50 card deck to get enough power to overpower the sogs and turtle shell). I drew my 3 dragons and was able to break through his unupped diss shield while rewinding an anubis to avoid decking out (I got an early hourglass so drew through my deck fast).

Deck was:
3x Silurian Dragon
4x Rewind
2x Eternity
1x Anubis
2x Electrum Hourglass
5x SoG
2x Turtle Shield
11x Time Tower
Mark of Time

(Anubis was to avoid decking out, and if he used a discord I would get the aether quantum).
So, Im guessing you won by killing him with 3 dragons, not decking him out. In a way, you had quanta control. Since your dragons kept pounding his dissipation shield, he didn't get enough entropy quanta to play anything. Also, next time use a deja vu to rewind, anubis is really risky.

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Re: Competition: Battle of the Opposing Elements! (Masters only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.msg46983#msg46983
« Reply #398 on: April 02, 2010, 12:19:52 am »
Also, next time use a deja vu to rewind, anubis is really risky.
How so? He has no permanent control, and Anubis costs 8, rewind costs 3, and I have 11 time towers + time mark.

Anubis does more damage (by itself, but if I played deja vu early I could fill my board with them). But I don't have any upped deja vus, so :).

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Re: Competition: Battle of the Opposing Elements! (Masters only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.msg47111#msg47111
« Reply #399 on: April 02, 2010, 07:48:03 am »
I don't think I can play next week, hope there's no problem with that.
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Re: Competition: Battle of the Opposing Elements! (Masters only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.msg47162#msg47162
« Reply #400 on: April 02, 2010, 12:03:19 pm »
I don't think I can play next week, hope there's no problem with that.
There is no problem with hope (the card)

Good luck light dude, and everyone else that is going to have a easy time slaying him !

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Re: Competition: Battle of the Opposing Elements! (Masters only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.msg47204#msg47204
« Reply #401 on: April 02, 2010, 02:10:07 pm »
I don't think I can play next week, hope there's no problem with that.
There is no problem with hope (the card)

Good luck light dude, and everyone else that is going to have a easy time slaying him !
So, you only wish me good luck? :P
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Re: Competition: Battle of the Opposing Elements! (Masters only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.msg47209#msg47209
« Reply #402 on: April 02, 2010, 02:22:38 pm »
Also, next time use a deja vu to rewind, anubis is really risky.
How so? He has no permanent control, and Anubis costs 8, rewind costs 3, and I have 11 time towers + time mark.

Anubis does more damage (by itself, but if I played deja vu early I could fill my board with them). But I don't have any upped deja vus, so :).
jmizzle could've used discord when you kept on rewinding your anubis to prevent deckout, and you would've been screwed cuz i doubt you would have 11 quanta after it. Plus, being in top50 I would imagine it easy just to beat a god once and get an upped deja vu.

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Re: Competition: Battle of the Opposing Elements! (Masters only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.msg48551#msg48551
« Reply #403 on: April 05, 2010, 01:55:58 am »
Also, next time use a deja vu to rewind, anubis is really risky.
How so? He has no permanent control, and Anubis costs 8, rewind costs 3, and I have 11 time towers + time mark.

Anubis does more damage (by itself, but if I played deja vu early I could fill my board with them). But I don't have any upped deja vus, so :).
jmizzle could've used discord when you kept on rewinding your anubis to prevent deckout, and you would've been screwed cuz i doubt you would have 11 quanta after it. Plus, being in top50 I would imagine it easy just to beat a god once and get an upped deja vu.
After a while, Discord starts actually giving you quanta instead of taking it (I experienced this in a match against a mono fire).

As to the upping a deja vu thing, sure, but I'd rather upgrade something else :).

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Re: Competition: Battle of the Opposing Elements! (Masters only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.msg48564#msg48564
« Reply #404 on: April 05, 2010, 02:32:35 am »
Also, next time use a deja vu to rewind, anubis is really risky.
How so? He has no permanent control, and Anubis costs 8, rewind costs 3, and I have 11 time towers + time mark.

Anubis does more damage (by itself, but if I played deja vu early I could fill my board with them). But I don't have any upped deja vus, so :).
jmizzle could've used discord when you kept on rewinding your anubis to prevent deckout, and you would've been screwed cuz i doubt you would have 11 quanta after it. Plus, being in top50 I would imagine it easy just to beat a god once and get an upped deja vu.
After a while, Discord starts actually giving you quanta instead of taking it (I experienced this in a match against a mono fire).

As to the upping a deja vu thing, sure, but I'd rather upgrade something else :).
I see your point, but now you might wanna go get that deja vu upped because earth has the best perm control in the game.

BTW, if you postponed your match a little longer, jmizzle might have been able to put butterfly effects into his deck   :-X*shudders*  :-X

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Re: Competition: Battle of the Opposing Elements! (Masters only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.msg48578#msg48578
« Reply #405 on: April 05, 2010, 02:48:41 am »
I don't know that butterfly effect would have made too much of a difference.  Puppy would have just changed his deck around to counter it.  He would have just had to rush extremely fast, which I don't think is too hard for time (If he had upped deja vu's :P )  Have precogs instead of hourglasses and SoD instead of SoG.  No permanents, and it gives him the advantages of knowing everything Jmizzle would be playing. Course, Jmizzle could foresee Puppy using this type of deck, and leave butterfly effect out.  Or maybe added a few extras in so he could destroy all of Puppy's pillars... Or maybe he would not try and predict what Puppy would be doing at all and focused on his own strategy...  All in all, I think a mono duel between these two elements is extremely entertaining. 

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Re: Competition: Battle of the Opposing Elements! (Masters only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.msg48585#msg48585
« Reply #406 on: April 05, 2010, 02:57:29 am »
I don't know that butterfly effect would have made too much of a difference.  Puppy would have just changed his deck around to counter it.  He would have just had to rush extremely fast, which I don't think is too hard for time (If he had upped deja vu's :P )  Have precogs instead of hourglasses and SoD instead of SoG.  No permanents, and it gives him the advantages of knowing everything Jmizzle would be playing. Course, Jmizzle could foresee Puppy using this type of deck, and leave butterfly effect out.  Or maybe added a few extras in so he could destroy all of Puppy's pillars... Or maybe he would not try and predict what Puppy would be doing at all and focused on his own strategy...  All in all, I think a mono duel between these two elements is extremely entertaining.
1) Upped Deja Vus don't do that much damage, so a rush would be difficult to accomplish, especially with dissipation shield and less pillars
2) Precogs are pretty bad as a replacement hourglass, you actually don't gain any cards, you just lose time quanta to look at your opponents deck
3) Jmizzle could go for a deck-out strategy because he would know that puppychow has no eternity or procastination
But after all those reasons that you listed, you forgot the major one that would kill butterfly effect:REWIND

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Re: Competition: Battle of the Opposing Elements! (Masters only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.msg48591#msg48591
« Reply #407 on: April 05, 2010, 03:10:31 am »
I don't know that butterfly effect would have made too much of a difference.  Puppy would have just changed his deck around to counter it.  He would have just had to rush extremely fast, which I don't think is too hard for time (If he had upped deja vu's :P )  Have precogs instead of hourglasses and SoD instead of SoG.  No permanents, and it gives him the advantages of knowing everything Jmizzle would be playing. Course, Jmizzle could foresee Puppy using this type of deck, and leave butterfly effect out.  Or maybe added a few extras in so he could destroy all of Puppy's pillars... Or maybe he would not try and predict what Puppy would be doing at all and focused on his own strategy...  All in all, I think a mono duel between these two elements is extremely entertaining.
1) Upped Deja Vus don't do that much damage, so a rush would be difficult to accomplish, especially with dissipation shield and less pillars
2) Precogs are pretty bad as a replacement hourglass, you actually don't gain any cards, you just lose time quanta to look at your opponents deck
3) Jmizzle could go for a deck-out strategy because he would know that puppychow has no eternity or procastination
But after all those reasons that you listed, you forgot the major one that would kill butterfly effect:REWIND
1) Upped Deja Vus do 4 damage for 2 quanta.  I would say that is pretty effective, especially since they can be played right away if you have upped towers.  Also, against an entropy deck they are creatures that would never be targeted.  It would be extremely unintelligent to mutate them, and if memory serves correct entropy has no other type of creature control that can affect deja vus since they are a 2/2 and maxwell's demon does not affect them.
2) Precogs are extremely good in a smaller deck.  Time has 2 other sources of drawing.  Sundial, and Hourglass.  Sundial would be an unintelligent choice in a mono deck, as you need to change your mark to light.  Not only that, but if time was trying to do a rush, why on earth would he use sundials to slow him down?  Hourglasses are a bad choice as well.  At a cost of 4 to play initially, it is a cost no rush deck wants to play when it could be instead used for playing creatures.
3) IF Any type of PvP action is all speculation.  There is no way to make a deck that will be able to handle every single situation.  It is just not possible, because you can never know what another player will do.  You may know they have limitations, but even those are no boundary to what can happen.  A particularly clever person could come up with a deck using mono entropy that no one has though of yet. 

 

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