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Re: Card Idea Competition: Opposites attract! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg100063#msg100063
« Reply #96 on: June 24, 2010, 04:26:23 pm »
Why are Zenith and Nadir getting so many votes when the cards themselves don't do anything?  Each one gives the other a free ability cost, but they can't both be used at the same time, so the abilities are literally useless. 

Also, to be very literal, that's not synergy that they share -- it's each one modifying the abilities of the other.  Synergy means that two abilities work well together, not that they specifically name one another and modify each other. 


Also, isn't it common to close the Competition thread and start a new thread for Voting?
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Re: Card Idea Competition: Opposites attract! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg100084#msg100084
« Reply #97 on: June 24, 2010, 04:52:30 pm »
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Re: Card Idea Competition: Opposites attract! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg100238#msg100238
« Reply #98 on: June 24, 2010, 07:22:56 pm »
Why are Zenith and Nadir getting so many votes when the cards themselves don't do anything?  Each one gives the other a free ability cost, but they can't both be used at the same time, so the abilities are literally useless. 

Also, to be very literal, that's not synergy that they share -- it's each one modifying the abilities of the other.  Synergy means that two abilities work well together, not that they specifically name one another and modify each other. 
Zenith and Nadir are getting a lot of votes, because they have something unique, something that no one had ever seen before. That was exactly what I was aiming for, doing something that hasn't been done before. Seems like it worked.
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Re: Card Idea Competition: Opposites attract! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg100292#msg100292
« Reply #99 on: June 24, 2010, 08:14:21 pm »
Why are Zenith and Nadir getting so many votes when the cards themselves don't do anything?  Each one gives the other a free ability cost, but they can't both be used at the same time, so the abilities are literally useless. 

Also, to be very literal, that's not synergy that they share -- it's each one modifying the abilities of the other.  Synergy means that two abilities work well together, not that they specifically name one another and modify each other. 
Zenith and Nadir are getting a lot of votes, because they have something unique, something that no one had ever seen before. That was exactly what I was aiming for, doing something that hasn't been done before. Seems like it worked.
I don't think they are unique. I recall a darkness weapon giving a stat penalty and light weapon giving a blessing in past ideas including the last weapon comp.

Here is the Darkness weapon http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3858.0.html

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Re: Card Idea Competition: Opposites attract! Voting for 5 more days https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg100421#msg100421
« Reply #100 on: June 24, 2010, 11:12:26 pm »
...seriously, Kael? You failed to see what I meant? Tsk, tsk.

The unique thing about Zenith/Nadir is if you play one while having the other equipped, the weapon you just played gets an ability cost reduction. I don't think that has been done before.
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Re: Card Idea Competition: Opposites attract! Voting for 5 more days https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg100425#msg100425
« Reply #101 on: June 24, 2010, 11:17:09 pm »
...seriously, Kael? You failed to see what I meant? Tsk, tsk.

The unique thing about Zenith/Nadir is if you play one while having the other equipped, the weapon you just played gets an ability cost reduction. I don't think that has been done before.
If you play a creature with an ability then play Shard of Rediness on it afterward, its ability is free. So no, I don't think its unique, you just ported a mechanic.

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Re: Card Idea Competition: Opposites attract! Voting for 5 more days https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg100459#msg100459
« Reply #102 on: June 25, 2010, 12:17:36 am »
Seems that you still don't get it, Kael. It's not about the free ability cost. It's about a weapon getting a bonus when another weapon is already in play. Why are you distracted by the other non-important things?
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Re: Card Idea Competition: Opposites attract! Voting for 5 more days https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg100471#msg100471
« Reply #103 on: June 25, 2010, 12:35:10 am »
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Re: Card Idea Competition: Opposites attract! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg100473#msg100473
« Reply #104 on: June 25, 2010, 12:38:27 am »
Zenith and Nadir are getting a lot of votes, because they have something unique, something that no one had ever seen before. That was exactly what I was aiming for, doing something that hasn't been done before. Seems like it worked.
That, or perhaps more people also want more weapons. Or more :darkness/ :light cards because both of those elements lack quantity/quality. Or maybe a combination of both...

>_> Just saying.

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Re: Card Idea Competition: Opposites attract! Voting for 5 more days https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg100474#msg100474
« Reply #105 on: June 25, 2010, 12:41:10 am »
Seems that you still don't get it, Kael. It's not about the free ability cost. It's about a weapon getting a bonus when another weapon is already in play. Why are you distracted by the other non-important things?
So It's about a card getting a bonus when another card is already in play. Hmm. Lol.
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Re: Card Idea Competition: Opposites attract! Voting for 5 more days https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg100497#msg100497
« Reply #106 on: June 25, 2010, 01:38:51 am »
Yeah... I think Zenith/Nadir is getting so many votes because of that "Shiny factor" that has ruined card competitions so many times. Remember how the voting went on that weapon competition? And even that "Make This Card" one, which was really random with the choices: People picked a card that would have almost no use whatsoever, and even when it did, the effect barely did anything.

Quite a few other cards here have that "Shiny factor" too, but their abilities are actually pretty balanced, so it's fairly obvious they won't win this competition.

And Blood...

Kael is exactly right, the tiny synergy between those cards is terribly forced (Not inherent at all, you had to specifically list a card's name for it to exist) and a watered down version of SoR.

In fact, those cards cannot even be in play together without another card- Animate Weapon. Without that, you would just play one over the other and the synergy would be useless.

The cards have to work together well, but also work well with other cards in their element.

Just an example, Kami's cards. Blessed one is very resistant to creature control, and can become a good attacker with a Blessing. His Demonic Aura card works well in that it can be used twice on it, or once to stop it from becoming too frail. But, it also works well with, for example, Vampire/Minor Vampire. The hp minimum is just enough to allow both to be targets, and then gives them a massive increase in attack which they can use to double effect, by both healing and damaging by that amount. It also works well on Gargoyle, by playing them on each other, then using Stone Form to nullify the hp reduction.

And, of course, there is always this problem:

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Re: Card Idea Competition: Opposites attract! Voting for 5 more days https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7668.msg100504#msg100504
« Reply #107 on: June 25, 2010, 01:51:05 am »
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In fact, those cards cannot even be in play together without another card- Animate Weapon.
Actually, you're wrong. To obtain the free ability cost, Zenith/Nadir must be in your weapon slot. Therefore Animate Weapon destroys the synergy.

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I think Zenith/Nadir is getting so many votes because of that "Shiny factor" that has ruined card competitions so many times.
Call me cheap and underhanded if you want, but the "shiny factor" is exactly what I was aiming for. If I want to win, I need to do something that seems unique. I wanted to make cards that stand out. I know that this kind of thing is not encouraged in a card competition, but I at least want to win once in my forum life; in all the previous competitions I've entered, I've never even came close to winning.
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