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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg186833#msg186833
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2010, 07:40:15 am »
I agree. N|N represents number.
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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg186835#msg186835
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2010, 07:43:36 am »
Really?  I don't know, I actually prefer it the way it is right now.  I like the idea of a potentially very-high attk creature being balanced out by low HP, but having the option to convert to a fairly stable attk|HP if need be.  It's unique, flexible, creative, and I like it.

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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg186837#msg186837
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2010, 07:45:12 am »
Normally, creatures that have high attack and low health would  be :fire creatures.
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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg186911#msg186911
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2010, 11:29:59 am »
Normally, creatures that have high attack and low health would  be :fire creatures.
This creature's attack varies.  You have one out, you have 2 attack; :aether fits it perfectly.
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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg187195#msg187195
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2010, 09:26:03 pm »
Normally, creatures that have high attack and low health would  be :fire creatures.
That says absolutely nothing about this card.

Aether creatures all have high attack and low hp too. 5|0, 5|4, 10|6, 7|2, 8|2. N|4 doesn't have to be fire to be balanced.

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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg187200#msg187200
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2010, 09:31:19 pm »
I might be ok with the card by itself, but the reset ability is too much. It means that the first couple you play can just stand there as good beaters while you build up to fractal, and then the later ones can become huge.

The health is also too high on the upgraded one. Something with that kind of ability should be vulnerable to more of the CC.

I would recommend that you remove the reset ability (this would also let you give it a better name than Z), and lower its defense to 3.

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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg187204#msg187204
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2010, 09:36:10 pm »
My suggestion: Increased the cost of the upped version to 4 :aether; make its attack 1 + 2N. This should make it slightly more balanced and indirectly reduce the effect of reset.

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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg187254#msg187254
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2010, 10:48:10 pm »
My suggestion: Increased the cost of the upped version to 4 :aether; make its attack 1 + 2N. This should make it slightly more balanced and indirectly reduce the effect of reset.
Increasing the attack of the upgraded one by (1+N) is too great of an increase, normal atk increases are between 0 and 3.
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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg187256#msg187256
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2010, 10:53:47 pm »
...My suggestion increases the attack by one.

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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg187270#msg187270
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2010, 11:23:13 pm »
...My suggestion increases the attack by one.
My mistake I thought the current attack was N=2Z. I misunderstood that you mean N=number of Zs instead of N=2xnumber of Zs as the card says. I agreed that +1 attack increase is appropriate.
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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg187296#msg187296
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2010, 11:53:52 pm »
Oh my fail. Yeah, I meant 1 + 2Z, not N. I was thinking N = Number of Z's.

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Re: Z | Z https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14576.msg187581#msg187581
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2010, 08:18:43 am »
not enough space in the text D:

reset is needed to make this card not just another phase recluse..

btw, 2 turns and 4 :aether for a 6 attack monster isn't OP...phase recluse is 2 turn and 4 :aether for 7 attack.

 

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