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Woodland Sylph | Sylph Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27623.msg351715#msg351715
« on: June 15, 2011, 03:06:34 pm »
NAME:
Woodland Sylph
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
2 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 1
TEXT:
For each successful attack, Woodland Sylph converts one :life into one :air.
NAME:
Sylph Queen
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 4
TEXT:
For each successful attack, Sylph Queen converts one :life into two :air.
ART:
Wikimedia Commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wesnoth_Sylph_(Kathrin_Polikeit).png) (Kathrin Polikeit)
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NOTES:
For the Duality's Legacy competition.

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Re: Woodland Sylph | Sylph Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27623.msg351812#msg351812
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2011, 06:22:50 pm »
I like this, it's centered on the mechanism for the challenge.
Besides, it made me change my idea to one that actually had a chance versus this.
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Re: Woodland Sylph | Sylph Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27623.msg351820#msg351820
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2011, 06:36:23 pm »
I like this card because it is easy to block with shields (completely useless for conversion against the diamond shield in upgraded form).  Unupgraded is useless against various upgraded shields.  Some shields are not going to do much against this card when upgraded, though.  Bone wall won't do much to a life deck with adrenaline, of course, but phase shields, dusk mantle, procrastination, thorn carapace, etc. are all fairly effective.

I'm a little concerned about the fact that it converts to water, since Forest Spirits could be made to grow extremely quickly this way.  In a light/life deck with rustlers, it would be extremely powerful (put out a few frogs, cast Luciferin on them, and use a rustler to convert).  I've played that light/life deck quite a lot and it's very strong on its own since quantum denial strategies do very little to it once it's gotten up to full steam.  I found myself sitting on over a hundred Life quanta at the end of a number of matches.  Still, the forest spirits are weak to Otyugh (early on), Reverse time, etc., but they can easily outgrow death by most effects.

Basically, this card would give someone the power to make a (really good, possibly too good) trio deck with cards from only two elements (light/life).  The ability to put freeze and squids (with a permafrost shield) alongside cheap spammable life creatures and pump up Forest Spirits for high end damage could really shut someone down and kill them very quickly, as their creatures can no longer attack and life's got quite a bit of cheap damage as it is.  Combine with Adrenaline and the player could be sitting on mountains of Water quanta and can get Life anytime needed if quanta is squirreled away in light and converted by rustlers when needed.  Use all the light emitters to create a ton of quanta in life and ice bolt is going to do some serious damage.  Mind flayers become accessible to life pretty easily, which is pretty nasty since Otyughs and Scarabs become useless against them and are one of the primary vulnerabilities of life as currently designed (so many low hp creatures are easily edible).  I can think of several ways to make awesome trios with this.

It's interesting that the unupgraded card is vulnerable to Maxwell's Demon, but the upgrade is not.  That's exactly the opposite of the Horned Frog -> Giant Frog.

I can't really think of another element that would seem thematically fitting for life (as plants, Air, Earth, and Water all are sensible combinations) but wouldn't give access to too much good stuff for too little, but I can't really imagine one, since all of those other decks have really strong cards with abilities life doesn't have access to at all.  I think perhaps it's not a good idea to give Life access to another conversion card (other than rustlers) without some nasty downside to using it.  For example, if antimatter caused a reversal in conversion or caused this card to drain the quanta converted instead.

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Re: Woodland Sylph | Sylph Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27623.msg351839#msg351839
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2011, 07:00:58 pm »
I'm a little concerned about the fact that it converts to water

Try again.  :)
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Re: Woodland Sylph | Sylph Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27623.msg351847#msg351847
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2011, 07:09:49 pm »
Looks balanced even in the presence of Adrenaline. (it only counts its own attacks)
keeping the atk <4 was good for obvious reasons.
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Re: Woodland Sylph | Sylph Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27623.msg351950#msg351950
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2011, 10:12:59 pm »
I'm a little concerned about the fact that it converts to water

Try again.  :)
Oops.  I obviously didn't look too closely at that.

Re: Woodland Sylph | Sylph Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27623.msg351953#msg351953
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2011, 10:23:14 pm »
Looks balanced even in the presence of Adrenaline. (it only counts its own attacks)
keeping the atk <4 was good for obvious reasons.
I'm not sure what you mean by "(it only counts its own attacks)."  Adrenaline can be used to trigger all kinds of effects multiple times.  It triggers poisoning as well as counting multiple attacks for frozen/petrified creatures, getting them out of the spell more quickly.  It will also trigger effects like acceleration more quickly, ramping up the damage of a slower creature at a greater rate.

Could you explain why this card's effect would be excluded?  I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I'd really like to know.

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Re: Woodland Sylph | Sylph Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27623.msg351968#msg351968
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2011, 10:47:31 pm »
No, he's saying that the wording is just ambiguous enough that you might read it as triggering off of every successful attack from every creature on the board.  But OldTrees is correct in stating that it only triggers off of it's own attacks -- and that it's balanced, triggering off of it's own attacks, even in the presence of Adrenaline. :)
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Re: Woodland Sylph | Sylph Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27623.msg352029#msg352029
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2011, 01:08:37 am »
Looks balanced to me.

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Re: Woodland Sylph | Sylph Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27623.msg352048#msg352048
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2011, 01:38:28 am »
'Sylph' is mispelled in the description of both card images - it shows 'Slyph'
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Re: Woodland Sylph | Sylph Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27623.msg352094#msg352094
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2011, 03:25:52 am »
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Re: Woodland Sylph | Sylph Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27623.msg352128#msg352128
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2011, 05:46:46 am »
I like this card. With just 1 type of pillar (life), you can produce 4 different elements. not necessarily a powerful combo, but a fun and cool looking one at the very least. Just use life pillars, and then spam these and get air. Then use the air to summon firefly queens (upped and unupped) to get fire and light quanta. Nothing special I know, I jsut like the chain of events this card would make possible. It would be the most unsuspecting and overcomplicated UG deck ever...
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