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Whirlpool|Maelstrom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7016.msg75400#msg75400
« on: May 26, 2010, 09:17:09 pm »
NAME:
Whirlpool
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
8
TYPE:
Spell
ABILITY:
Three creatures are trapped in a whirlpool and cannot attack or use skills for three turns.  Deal two damage to each target.
NAME:
Maelstrom
ELEMENT:
Water (duh)
COST:
6
TYPE:
Spell
ABILITY:
Three creatures are trapped in a whirlpool and cannot attack or use skills for three turns.  Deal two damage to each target.
ART:
avidteen13
IDEA:
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NOTES:
Many thanks to SG for the free art for the swirl and the cardbuilder links.
SERIES:
AoE (pending)

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Re: Whirlpool/Whirlpool https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7016.msg75434#msg75434
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2010, 10:05:38 pm »
they are really small, or at least i see them really small >.<

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Re: Whirlpool/Whirlpool https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7016.msg75436#msg75436
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2010, 10:07:59 pm »
You need to click on them to see the big one

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Re: Whirlpool/Whirlpool https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7016.msg75492#msg75492
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2010, 11:11:58 pm »
ya..
i wouldn't talk if i didn't do at least this (and adapt my monitor resolution to a more normal size)..
but even with this the card's quality is low and the size is different from those i posted (that used the designed tools given in the site), so this means that something goes wrong during the process..

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Re: Whirlpool/Whirlpool https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7016.msg75525#msg75525
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2010, 12:01:59 am »
How would a spell be able to use an activated ability

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Re: Whirlpool/Whirlpool https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7016.msg75529#msg75529
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2010, 12:05:40 am »
i dont think it has an activatable effect. i think it consumes 1 aether if you have one and does the extra effect automatically.
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Re: Whirlpool/Whirlpool https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7016.msg75558#msg75558
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2010, 01:00:48 am »
@FallenSoul ~ What are you asking me to do?  Anyway, the tag still said whirlpool_thumb.jpg even though I specifically told it to do website/email.  If you know what to substitute there, please tell me.  As for the resolution, I don't know what I can do about that except for remaking the entire thing.

As for the spell using an ability - I didn't intend for it to automatically use 'Maelstrom'. I hadn't really considered that before.  I suppose a small dialog box, like the one for chat in PvP could pop up and ask if you wanted to use the ability if you had the quanta.  If people think this is abnormal and don't want it, automatically using 'Maelstrom' would be fine.

This is my first time designing a card, so I'm not an expert at this yet.
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Re: Whirlpool/Whirlpool https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7016.msg75603#msg75603
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2010, 02:15:42 am »
I don't think that there will be a way to have spells with extra abilities that will only trigger if you have the enough quantum.
But other questions:
1) How does it target the creatures?
2) When it target random (what it should): Can it hit your own units?
3) What's the difference to freeze?

And it would help if you would use the deck template from this thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5039.0.html).

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Re: Whirlpool/Whirlpool https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7016.msg75605#msg75605
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2010, 02:17:10 am »
It seems you only need one aether quanta to use this effect? Combined with the synergy already between water and aether through mind flayers/uliathriuds, I think that it should cost 3  :aether quanta to deal 3 damage. Eagle's eye costs 2 quanta to deal 3 damage to one creature.

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Re: Whirlpool/Whirlpool https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7016.msg75611#msg75611
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2010, 02:29:03 am »
1 quanta for 9 damage is a fair bit overpowered. since it does 3 damage to each target for 1 total. i agree with silent that the cost for ability should go up for increased damage. And even being unable to attack or use abilitys is painfull enough (basically 3 freezes for 6/5 cost vs the usual 6)

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Re: Whirlpool/Whirlpool https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7016.msg76149#msg76149
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2010, 09:03:39 pm »
Before I nerf the card, I need to know how I am supposed to nerf it.

I am thinking of making 'Maelstrom' cost 4 for unupped and 3 for upped.  It costs less than RoF/FS b/c you aren't damaging all the creatures

Should Maelstrom deal 3 damage or 2?
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Re: Whirlpool/Whirlpool https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7016.msg76184#msg76184
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2010, 10:15:39 pm »
Before I nerf the card, I need to know how I am supposed to nerf it.

I am thinking of making 'Maelstrom' cost 4 for unupped and 3 for upped.  It costs less than RoF/FS b/c you aren't damaging all the creatures

Should Maelstrom deal 3 damage or 2?
Preferably 2 damage total to all creatures, as you added a 'control' effect on the spell card (Rain of Fire does 3 damage to all creatures, but doesn't add a debuff to any of them). The cost changes are also a good start, but personally, I suggest that you merge the Maelstrom's active/passive skills together and not make it have to consume :aether quanta to gain that extra benefit, because it'll be:

a) hard to program possibly,
b) annoying to deal with in case you don't have the quanta,
c) bad as it forces decks to accommodate that extra quanta type,
and d) expensive.

Oh, and listen to the others' advice on how to make it the correct resolution size. ;)

 

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