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Re: Waive | Abdicate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54497.msg1136211#msg1136211
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2014, 04:02:07 pm »
"Kill an Enemy Creature| Kill Enemy Creature". So for comboing with SoSac, you need your enemy to play a good creature for you.

That aside, it's an awesome card. Perfect way to balance insta-kill IMO. Cost might be a bit low though, especially upped. Perhaps something along the lines of 6|4 or 5|4 cost I'd say.
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Re: Waive | Abdicate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54497.msg1136276#msg1136276
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2014, 11:21:17 am »
And BB abuse?

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Re: Waive | Abdicate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54497.msg1136309#msg1136309
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2014, 04:15:07 pm »
And BB abuse?
As near as I can tell, the only way to abuse BB here would be with the SoSac combo. However, that would require at least 4 cards to make back the cost of the SoSac (this card, a creature, 2 BB). That's a 5 card combo plus a duo plus over 8 quanta... I wouldn't really call that abuse.
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Re: Waive | Abdicate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54497.msg1136377#msg1136377
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2014, 11:35:37 pm »
The creature with the most health is a flying titan. There aren't many decks with flying titan. Most decks just use shard of accretion. Again, SoSa is a rare and it is pretty obvious when played. The only thing that I can actually see to be a problem soon is a reflective shield. Some art would be nice. Going to add text "Can't be reflected" to both upped and unupped.

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Re: Waive | Abdicate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54497.msg1136476#msg1136476
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2014, 04:26:00 pm »
I was kinda ignored, so I'll just say things again.
This really is in the case of unupped, less so upgraded, but:

The best single targeting CC in my opinion is lightning.
Not many things survive lightning- If we did every creature in the game, over half would die to lightning.
That costs half of this, and doesn't hurt you.

If you had the choice, why on earth would you ever use the unupped Waive?
In terms of the upgraded Abdicate, that's a different story.

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Re: Waive | Abdicate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54497.msg1136495#msg1136495
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2014, 07:58:15 pm »
But this can kill gravity! ;D

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Re: Waive | Abdicate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54497.msg1136531#msg1136531
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2014, 07:42:22 am »
I agree that as far as basic CC goes I'd choose lightning over this, but the SoSac combo does sound lucrative. There don't need to be flying Titans on the field. Putting on a SoSac and  Waiving the average enemy dragon, just before the sosac expires, can make all the difference.

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Re: Waive | Abdicate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54497.msg1136542#msg1136542
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2014, 02:38:46 pm »
I propose "sacrifice X HP" as a wording to show that some damage bypass SoSac. I'd approve of this card if this combo gets removed.
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Re: Waive | Abdicate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54497.msg1136558#msg1136558
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2014, 09:07:22 pm »
I propose "sacrifice X HP" as a wording to show that some damage bypass SoSac. I'd approve of this card if this combo gets removed.

That would remove some of the functionality of the card. So not only is it a no but it is a definitely not

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Re: Waive | Abdicate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54497.msg1136561#msg1136561
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2014, 09:28:20 pm »
NAME:
Waive
ELEMENT:
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COST:
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TYPE:
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ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Kill an enemy creature. Take damage equal to the higher of its two stats. Damage can't be reflected.
NAME:
Abdicate
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
2 :death
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Kill an enemy creature. Take damage equal to the higher of its two stats.

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Re: Waive | Abdicate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54497.msg1138688#msg1138688
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2014, 03:41:30 am »
Sry for necro but...

I like the card, however to prevent BB + SoSac abuse I think it should take of damage directly and avoid SoSac just like SoSac does.

Also I'm glad to see more Sacrifice cards for death since that's what its about.
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Re: Waive | Abdicate https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54497.msg1139481#msg1139481
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2014, 09:47:27 am »
This idea is a 5/5 for me and I find the SoSac abuse very difficult to be performed in the first place. Situational but game saver if used at the right moment, let alone it triggers death effects. Sure, it is UP without SoSac, but still it is a fairly solid insta-kill for :death.
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