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Vortex | Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg62119#msg62119
« on: May 02, 2010, 07:27:33 am »
NAME:
Vortex
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
:aether
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
-
ABILITY:
Target creature gets +3/+1 and gains passive ability “Vortex”.
Vortex:  Consume the next spell.  Creature is destroyed after consumption.
ART BY:
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IDEA BY:
Acelink
NAME:
Vortex
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
:aether
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
-
ABILITY:
Target creature gets +3/+1 and gains passive ability “Vortex”.
Vortex:  Consume the next spell.  Creature is destroyed after consumption.
ART BY:
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IDEA BY:
Acelink
NOTES: [/color][/b]
-Vortex consumes the NEXT spell...
-Vortex meant to complement Spark/Ball Lightning but can be used in any situation. 
-Does not buff FG rainbow decks or golem rush decks.
-Not spamable.
-More adjustments are prob going to come.

-xDude helped with adapting the card idea
SERIES: [/color][/b]
EPIC3 card design entry (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6012.msg68566#msg68566)

Re: Vortex | Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg62126#msg62126
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2010, 07:56:48 am »
It may take an extra two cards, but playing this, lobotomizing it, and then making it immortal effectively gives you a Phase Dragon for a total cost of 5 :aether.  It falls to Fire Buckler immediately, but how often do those come up?  Besides, Lobotomizer is a good card to have regardless so it's really only an extra 1 card for an immortal creature that does 8 in a mono deck at less than half the cost of the Dragon. 

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Re: Vortex | Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg62139#msg62139
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2010, 09:19:07 am »
I am more worried about the +3/+1 for 1 cost...

And its passive !!!

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Re: Vortex | Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg62158#msg62158
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2010, 11:12:06 am »
Why is the upped worse than the basic?

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Re: Vortex | Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg62280#msg62280
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2010, 05:35:48 pm »
Acelink, this card is OP. Compare it to Blessing:

- cost is smaller by 1
- is more versatile (can be used on opponent's creatures) and as spell protection.

The only thing Blessing has is adding 2 more defense, which isn't really important, so I suggest you increase cost by 1 and make it give no attack bonus (I think this wouldn' make it UP, it's still very versatile).
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Re: Vortex | Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg62288#msg62288
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2010, 05:49:06 pm »
I just realized my post is sort of nonsense because I left out the fact that I was talking about playing it on a Ball Lightning. 

Ball Lightning+this+Lobotomizer(which there's no reason not to have in mono-aether anyway, really)+Quint=8/1 immortal for a net cost of 8, and only a cost of 5 if you were going to have the Lobo anyway. 

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Re: Vortex | Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg62314#msg62314
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2010, 06:26:11 pm »
Acelink, this card is OP. Compare it to Blessing:

- cost is smaller by 1
- is more versatile (can be used on opponent's creatures) and as spell protection.

The only thing Blessing has is adding 2 more defense, which isn't really important, so I suggest you increase cost by 1 and make it give no attack bonus (I think this wouldn' make it UP, it's still very versatile).
Compared to Blessing there are a few things to note:
-Vortex eats all spells... meaning you can't play any either.
-Vortex will be cast on opponents creatures at times...

The reasoning for the +3 attack is to entice you to play it on your own cards rather than opponents.  It is bad thing to buff your opponents creatures.  This spell is not spamable.  Remember the creature dies after vortex consumes a spell...

Although vortex is passive, it can still be lobotomized/mindflayed off

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Re: Vortex | Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg62326#msg62326
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2010, 06:44:57 pm »
Acelink, this card is OP. Compare it to Blessing:

- cost is smaller by 1
- is more versatile (can be used on opponent's creatures) and as spell protection.

The only thing Blessing has is adding 2 more defense, which isn't really important, so I suggest you increase cost by 1 and make it give no attack bonus (I think this wouldn' make it UP, it's still very versatile).
Compared to Blessing there are a few things to note:
-Vortex eats all spells... meaning you can't play any either.
-Vortex will be cast on opponents creatures at times...

The reasoning for the +3 attack is to entice you to play it on your own cards rather than opponents.  It is bad thing to buff your opponents creatures.  This spell is not spamable.  Remember the creature dies after vortex consumes a spell...

Although vortex is passive, it can still be lobotomized/mindflayed off
This card + any spell instant kills a creature
Its like a 1 cost congeal + shockwave....

Re: Vortex | Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg62369#msg62369
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2010, 07:29:08 pm »
That is a good point too... this would give a reason to play Holy Flash.  Pay 1  :aether for a 2 card instant kill combo that can run in mono.  Scary. 

Also, what of the fact that you get a Phase Dragon (albeit with 1 health) for a grand cost of 5 (8 if you don't run Lobotomizer to start with)?

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Re: Vortex | Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg62387#msg62387
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2010, 07:43:48 pm »
This card + any spell instant kills a creature
Its like a 1 cost congeal + shockwave....
Kinda but not exactly.

It destroys like the congeal/shockwave combo would but on a different condition.  One that either player can control.

This card can be used defensively as creature destruction or offensively as creature buff.  It will make the opponent think about his options and lead to some hard choices for yourself.

That is a good point too... this would give a reason to play Holy Flash.  Pay 1  :aether for a 2 card instant kill combo that can run in mono.  Scary. 

Also, what of the fact that you get a Phase Dragon (albeit with 1 health) for a grand cost of 5 (8 if you don't run Lobotomizer to start with)?
Multi card combo.  Nearly no one plays Ball Lightning anyways, outside of fractal.  Check out card usage stats:
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Those stats were taken BEFORE the advent of fractal.  I expect the number to go up just due to sheer spam.

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Re: Vortex | Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg62433#msg62433
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2010, 08:35:55 pm »
This card + any spell instant kills a creature
Its like a 1 cost congeal + shockwave....
Kinda but not exactly.

It destroys like the congeal/shockwave combo would but on a different condition.  One that either player can control.

This card can be used defensively as creature destruction or offensively as creature buff.  It will make the opponent think about his options and lead to some hard choices for yourself.
Put it in some extreme
I am fighting against you
You play Sky dragon > End then turn

then...
1) I cast vortex on your sky dragon, even if i dont cast spell no.2

Now, you cant use any spell, while your hand has spell you want to use...

Just some example, and thats for 1 cost, I cut down 1 thing (use spell) in your deck, thats way way OP

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Re: Vortex | Vortex https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6083.msg62544#msg62544
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2010, 01:28:21 am »
This card + any spell instant kills a creature
Its like a 1 cost congeal + shockwave....
Kinda but not exactly.

It destroys like the congeal/shockwave combo would but on a different condition.  One that either player can control.

This card can be used defensively as creature destruction or offensively as creature buff.  It will make the opponent think about his options and lead to some hard choices for yourself.
Put it in some extreme
I am fighting against you
You play Sky dragon > End then turn

then...
1) I cast vortex on your sky dragon, even if i dont cast spell no.2

Now, you cant use any spell, while your hand has spell you want to use...

Just some example, and thats for 1 cost, I cut down 1 thing (use spell) in your deck, thats way way OP
Your example is meh... what spell would you want to play in a primarily air deck?  Shockwave or Thunderstorm?  +3 damage on your dragon is more worthwhile anyways.   A better example would be someone getting out an Upp'd Black Dragon.  The person has a few choices: Keep the dragon with +3/0 and don't care about any of your spells, wait til you get two spells and burn one to play the other, wait for the other person to play a spell/kill your dragon before playing your spell.

You are missing:
-During that time the dragon is hitting harder.  +3 attack.
-It requires two spells to be played by person who casts Vortex to instantly kill it.  One of those spells is instantly wasted*.
-You cannot have more than one vortex out on the field at a time.

*=Most decks do not emphasis on having more than 6 spells.  It cripples most decks to exceed that amount.  It is generally going to be the opponent if he wants to kill his own dragon.

k... it is a two card combo that will destroy any creature like freeze/shockwave.  Really how is that different from just casting two lightning bolts?  2 lightning bolts will kill almost every creature in the game.  Lightning bolt has more uses and can target different creatures when needed. 

The biggest decks Votex could potentially cockblock are:
-Golem
-Speed Rainbow
-Someone running only Miracles (who would run miracles without SoD?)
-Someone running only fractals as a spell...

No matter what it takes two cards for this spell to work.
Vortex + your own creature.
You creature is prob going to die

Vortex cast on opponents creature + another spell (to insta-gib)
You basically are wasting a card and still paying its cost.

 

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