Swamp | Jungle

[artimies7]

NAME: Swamp ELEMENT: Life COST: 4 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: : Negate the effect of up to 4 permanents in the target stack for one turn.	NAME: Jungle ELEMENT: Life COST: 5 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: : Negate the effect of up to 4 permanents in the target stack for one turn.

ART: n/a yet IDEA: artimies7 NOTES: Ok, there are quite a few variations that I could pull with this one. -It could be a passive instead of an active ability. (My personal preference, but starting with an active ability just to test the waters.) -It could delay activating permanents or have a chance to delay activating permanents. (My first thought, but the chat thought there is too many delaying ideas.) -It could just increase the cost of played permanents, but that's kind of weak IMO. Speak your mind, and do it well. Thanks ~ SERIES:

[skyironsword]

Considering it's not a weapon, it shouldn't have flying stats.

[dragonsdemesne]

Spoiler for Hidden:

so does that delay shields or weapons or other permanents or what
[2013-12-25 15:09:58] dragonsdemesne: like could i 'turn off' your shield
[2013-12-25 15:10:31] artimies7: Just for one turn. And there'd only be a small chance to activate that delay.
[2013-12-25 15:11:09] skyironsword: Up to 4? If you target the same stack twice, does it target 8?
[2013-12-25 15:11:10] dragonsdemesne: would be an interesting way of dealing with stacks of shards too
[2013-12-25 15:11:19] artimies7: Nope.
[2013-12-25 15:11:22] artimies7: No stack.
[2013-12-25 15:11:24] dragonsdemesne: or bond/sanc, or things like hg/mindgate
[2013-12-25 15:11:37] dragonsdemesne: OE/trident/pulvy
[2013-12-25 15:11:46] artimies7: And the list goes on.
[2013-12-25 15:11:52] skyironsword: Hmmm. Well, it's a good way to discourage splitting between pends and pillars in mono
[2013-12-25 15:11:52] dragonsdemesne: or a whole whack of quanta
[2013-12-25 15:11:59] skyironsword: Since then you can affect twice as much
[2013-12-25 15:12:18] dragonsdemesne: hmm any +1 reason for useful marks, at least unupped (upped has the same issue)
[2013-12-25 15:12:41] dark ripper: ‹@artimies7› elementscommunity.org/forum/pre-smithy-ideas/...
[2013-12-25 15:12:55] dragonsdemesne: i like the idea, but i think a slight nerf might be in order
[2013-12-25 15:13:14] artimies7: ‹@dark ripper› seems to be a rather more powerful card with a similar effect.
[2013-12-25 15:13:29] dragonsdemesne: maybe unupped affects 2, upped 3 (and tweak costs accordingly) or have the activation cost be something other than life
[2013-12-25 15:13:44] skyironsword: It can target single permanents right?
[2013-12-25 15:13:53] dragonsdemesne: since other cards of similar power/ability (trident and pulverizer) have dual element costs
[2013-12-25 15:13:55] artimies7: ‹@skyironsword› It can.
[2013-12-25 15:14:12] skyironsword: Interesting
[2013-12-25 15:14:15] artimies7: ‹@dragonsdemesne› The first thing sounds better than the second, due to life not having PC.
[2013-12-25 15:14:25] dark ripper: ‹@artimies7› I added that card the other day cause I wanted to show the lack of PC Life has. lets all unite our powers so that we will be heard xd
[2013-12-25 15:14:41] artimies7: ‹@dragonsdemesne› But I see your point about dual element thing.
[2013-12-25 15:14:42] dragonsdemesne: yeah maybe something like unupped costs 1 to activate to delay 2, or upped costs 2 to activate and delays 3
[2013-12-25 15:14:49] artimies7: ‹@dark ripper› It's a need.
[2013-12-25 15:14:59] skyironsword: Delay 2|3 might be too much of a nerf
[2013-12-25 15:14:59] dragonsdemesne: which also makes the upped one not strictly better (another thing i like)
[2013-12-25 15:15:04] dragonsdemesne: well could do 3/4 too
[2013-12-25 15:15:09] skyironsword: It's going to be used mainly for quanta denial
[2013-12-25 15:15:30] breathofcherries: quanta denial is retardedly op
[2013-12-25 15:15:37] breathofcherries: and a b**** to play against.
[2013-12-25 15:15:46] artimies7: Write these things in the thread, so everyone can comment on them! That's why I posted it.
[2013-12-25 15:15:48] dragonsdemesne: well that's what i was worried about too
[2013-12-25 15:15:51] skyironsword: Well, it's not really OP...

Also, after this, discussed the possibility of disallowing swamp/jungle from targeting quanta sources, because it could repeatably lock down more quanta than it costs to invest in it.  This would still mean it's good against many stalls (delay SoG/sanc/bond, or SoV, or HG/mindgate) and nerf shard of freedom. (delay up to 4 of them, and also make >4 copies of SoFr in play no longer as redundant)

[artimies7]

Considering it's not a weapon, it shouldn't have flying stats.

Thanks. Fixed.

@dragonsdemesne

So what I'm getting is:

-If used on pillars/pends, limit the number of items in stack.
-Possibly have the activation cost (if I don't change it to a passive) a different element.
-more?

I do think, personally, that this would be more thematic with a passive ability.

[andretimpa]

It would allow you to turn SoP on and off without losing the shard. Not sure if OP but that's a great advantage.

[artimies7]

It would allow you to turn SoP on and off without losing the shard. Not sure if OP but that's a great advantage.

That's a use I hadn't thought of, targeting your own permanents. Adds something to the active ability possibility for this card and not just a passive.