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Undead Knight l Undead Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56832.msg1168391#msg1168391
« on: November 26, 2014, 08:59:00 am »
NAME:
Undead Knight
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
6 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
:aether :aether : Terrify: deal 2 damage to target creature. if this kills the target copies cannot be played for 4 turns.
NAME:
Undead Knight
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
6 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 4
TEXT:
:aether :aether : Terrify: deal 2 damage to target creature. if this kills the target copies cannot be played for 4 turns.

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Re: Ancient Warrior l Ancient Warrior https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56832.msg1168401#msg1168401
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2014, 12:09:21 pm »
Does 'copies' refer to copies of the Warrior or the target?

For the skill, how about Honor Duel?
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Re: Ancient Warrior l Ancient Warrior https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56832.msg1168403#msg1168403
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2014, 12:23:52 pm »
I don't think this card belongs in time.
The ability itself is completely fine, but is there really a reason that time should get direct damage, considering it has RT?
And I'd take RT over this effect absolutely any day. Much cheaper and less situational. And can technically do the same thing (If you can't draw those copies...)

Thematically, okay, it's an ANCIENT warrior, but I don't think that's reason enough.
"It's living, so it belongs in life"

As for the ability, I think it costs a bit too much, but then again, Owl's eye.
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I'd prefer this as a spell, not a creature.

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Re: Ancient Warrior l Ancient Warrior https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56832.msg1168404#msg1168404
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2014, 12:27:00 pm »
I agree with frozen. Apart from that, this would make a very nice anti-fractal and possibly mitosis, if this covers that (Montrossen is indirectly asking you a question here).
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Re: Ancient Warrior l Ancient Warrior https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56832.msg1168446#msg1168446
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2014, 08:48:29 pm »
don't worry it covers mitosis.

also does anyone have a better thematic/name/ability name? PLEASE?
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Re: Ancient Warrior l Ancient Warrior https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56832.msg1168487#msg1168487
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2014, 02:35:48 am »
Ancient dueler?
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Re: Ancient Warrior l Ancient Warrior https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56832.msg1168509#msg1168509
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2014, 06:04:59 am »
Knight.

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Re: Undead Knight l Undead Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56832.msg1168519#msg1168519
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2014, 07:09:01 am »
modified it so that it makes more sense.

 :death because on death effects
 :aether because silence
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Re: Undead Knight l Undead Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56832.msg1168520#msg1168520
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2014, 07:13:20 am »
I wasn't expecting death at all, but it makes so much sense now that you've suggested it.

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I like this card a lot more now.

As a nitpick, I'd prefer it if it had 2 ATK because it deals 2 damage on the ability, but that's just for aesthetic pleasure. It can stay at 3 if you want.

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Re: Undead Knight l Undead Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56832.msg1168521#msg1168521
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2014, 07:22:27 am »
OK, that is a better name for sure :D. Im not sure about the out of element cost, even if it is kind of thematic.
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Re: Undead Knight l Undead Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56832.msg1168529#msg1168529
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2014, 09:16:50 am »
Looks even better

Perhaps could use a bit lower cost, 4 or 5
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Re: Undead Knight l Undead Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56832.msg1169010#msg1169010
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2014, 09:01:09 pm »
I don't like the card.
If you kill a creature, it prevents the creature from being played for four turns.
This is OP if you look at it from a similar standpoint that I looked at it from: the enemy.
I have a  :fire rush deck using phoenix's. I play one phoenix and then you play that undead knight. All of a sudden, I have an ash on my field and whenever I try to play a phoenix, I get an annoying card text that says "This creature can't be played for four turns."
This is overpowered. If not, then compare it to silence. Silence costs three quanta and prevents any card from being played for one turn. Your skill costs two quanta and prevents a certain creature, usually the main creature with the current meta-game, from being summoned for four turns. Four turns is all that is needed to start and end a game, as demonstrated by three turn kill decks. Four turns is all that is needed for the opponent to summon enough creatures to either win the match or guarantee the win of the match. Four turns is a long amount of time, which is why Congeal and Basilisk Blood are so powerful. Even Freeze is very powerful.
I would nerf this to one or possibly two turns. One turn means that if the creature dies, the creature can't be re-summoned next turn. Two turns could be overpowered.

 

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