Rain | Downpour

[russianspy1234]

NAME: Click here to add title ELEMENT: Water COST: 4 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Water creatures get +1 | +1 Fire creatures get -1 | -1	NAME: Click here to add title ELEMENT: Water COST: 4 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Water creatures get +2 | +2 Fire creatures get -2 | -2

ART: http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1327499 IDEA: russianspy1234 NOTES: SERIES:

[dragonsdemesne]

I definitely like the idea, but I worry that it might be too strong.  The penalty to fire creatures, for instance; I don't think very many creatures even have more than 3 toughness.  There's crimson dragon, fire spectre, and ash that I can think of off the top of my head.  The pump for water creatures is probably balanced, though, seeing as there's no issue with nightfall/eclipse being OP/UP.

Perhaps the card should have a stated duration, the way wings or dimensional shield do, for example.  It would make thematic sense; rain doesn't last forever, and it would make the card still strong against fire without being ridiculous.  As printed it's an improved Eclipse for water, plus the bonus side effect of raping fire creature decks.  Another solution could be to make the penalty to fire creatures only work on fire creatures when this comes into play, and have no effect on further fire creatures, but keep the water creature bonus permanently.  It might also be a good idea to increase the cost of at least the upped version; right now the upped one costs the same as Eclipse, but it's better.  The unupped one is better than nightfall, but also costs 1 more quanta, so that's reasonable.

edit: nymphs (both) and animated fahrenheit also have >2 hp

[russianspy1234]

fire has access to a 1 cost permanent destruction spell though, so this wouldnt survive long.
hmm maybe make it a spell that just affects all the creatures on the field at that point... would that be better?

[dragonsdemesne]

That might work.  I suppose fire having access to explosion does make this weaker.  (as opposed to a card that gave life -2/-2, for instance)  Given that explosion is available to fire, you could probably leave the cards as they are, but I'd still add 1  to the upped quanta cost.

[ralouf]

If you compare to eclipse/nightfall you will see that it is OP (for the upped version specially)

[rickerd]

why not only redusing fire creature's dammage and no dammage to their hp, maybe that would be a bit better I think

[russianspy1234]

If you compare to eclipse/nightfall you will see that it is OP (for the upped version specially)

equivalent cards are not always equivalent in other elements.  nightfall powers scorpions, as well as many other cheap creatures.  water as a single element isnt as creature heavy.  its something to look at, but not something to get locked into.

[dragonsdemesne]

If you compare to eclipse/nightfall you will see that it is OP (for the upped version specially)

I had mentioned that earlier, but it also depends on how quanta costs for certain effects are supposed to be balanced for the different elements.  For example, it's obvious that Life and to a lesser degree, Fire, get a good deal on quanta for creature power/toughness.  (compare Horned Frog to Blue Crawler, for an obvious instance)  However, with the limited card base, it's harder to tell (at least for me) much more than that.  So, depending on what zanzarino has in mind for Elements (if he's even thought about this), I don't really know whether Water, for instance, should have cheaper or more expensive permanents than other elements, or whether this kind of effect is even appropriate for what zanz has in mind for Water.

[russianspy1234]

made it into a spell instead of a permanent

[Drake_XIV]

Missing names, since I doubt you want it to be "Click here to add title."

[furballdn]

Don't like it since it punishes a specific element very heavily. Also sort of useless because of SoP.

[russianspy1234]

Don't like it since it punishes a specific element very heavily. Also sort of useless because of SoP.

yeah i first made this card a long time ago, and forgot about SoP when updating and bumping it. as to punishing a specific element, ideally i would say there should be 12 of these, one for each pair, but that might be overkill.