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Re: Trojan Horse l Trojan Horse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36652.msg459863#msg459863
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2012, 09:23:26 pm »
Id actually keep the attack the same but buff the health for the upped. that way you can send it to your opponent, but then block its attack against you with a simple gravity shield.

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Re: Trojan Horse l Trojan Horse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36652.msg459864#msg459864
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2012, 09:27:09 pm »
Id actually keep the attack the same but buff the health for the upped. that way you can send it to your opponent, but then block its attack against you with a simple gravity shield.
but the 3 damage isn't really the problem- it's the poison, i was thinking of making it so that it would only 'invade' if it successfully attacks- and then use your idea of boosting the hp of the upped.

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Re: Trojan Horse l Trojan Horse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36652.msg459897#msg459897
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2012, 10:19:09 pm »
What if you lower invade to  :death but make it require dealing damage w/ attack that round. This would enable darkrobe's idea.
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Re: Trojan Horse l Trojan Horse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36652.msg459903#msg459903
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2012, 10:23:30 pm »
lols that's what i meant by my last post- well except the lowering cost to  :death - I still think that it could be too easily abused if it was so cheap.

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Re: Trojan Horse l Trojan Horse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36652.msg459978#msg459978
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2012, 12:02:01 am »
You might want to seperate out the skills here. 

just as an example:
Each time it fails to attack, you are delt its attack in poison.
 :death : Invade
Give opponent Trojan Horse

That might be too far from what you are thinking but its a thought.

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Re: Trojan Horse l Trojan Horse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36652.msg459990#msg459990
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2012, 12:25:33 am »
I like that idea- i'll try and find a way of incorporating it- but if i do exactly that i'm afraid the costs may outweigh the benfits and it would become too much of a niche card

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Re: Trojan Horse l Trojan Horse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36652.msg460005#msg460005
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2012, 12:46:14 am »
Lol i know, thats why i said for example.

Just so you know though, in my head im thinking Trojan horse + gravity shield/bonewall + deathstalkers + momentum =  :gravity :death poison rush

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Re: Trojan Horse l Trojan Horse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36652.msg460037#msg460037
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2012, 01:41:29 am »
Okay, now this is interesting.  When it deals damage, the owner gets poisoned?

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Re: Trojan Horse l Trojan Horse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36652.msg460630#msg460630
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2012, 03:22:05 pm »
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-Fix the COST sections of your table (The unupped table should state '4 :gravity' instead of just '4', and likewise, the upgraded version needs to match the card's cost, and not have the word 'Gravity' just there)

On that note, WELCOME to the CIA (or Card Ideas & Art ;) ) board tsing520! :D

I sort of like the risk vs. reward in this idea, although the expensive cost of its ability (3 :death) is a bit much, but hopefully will promote more Gravity-Death duos considering their unique strategies (Momentum-Stalkers and Otyugh = endless death triggers).

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Re: Trojan Horse l Trojan Horse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36652.msg460676#msg460676
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2012, 05:55:20 pm »
There may be a copyright issue here.
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Re: Trojan Horse l Trojan Horse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36652.msg460752#msg460752
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2012, 10:17:36 pm »
I haven't been able to contact the artist so I'm looking for any other possible design ideas online :/ worst comes to worst I may have to resort to commissioning a piece from one of my more talented friends =)

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Re: Trojan Horse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36652.msg460941#msg460941
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2012, 02:53:06 pm »
Actually, this is kind of OP.

Before HP buffs:
[1x Card] Trojan Horse [5 :gravity + 3 :death ] for 6 poison

[3x Cards] 3x Poison [6 :death] for same effect.

[2x Cards] Forest Scorpion [3 :life ] + Adrenaline [6 :life ] for same counters.

Other effects take at least three turns.
To expand on this

Forest Scorpion:
1|2 (attack) +0 (2hp) +3 (venom x1) +0|-1 (-1 or -2 upgraded) = 3 :life+1card

Trojan Horse (suboptimal usage)
-2|-3 (attack) +0|1 (3|6hp) + 12|18 (venom x4|x6) +0|-2 (-1 to -2 upgraded) -1 (duo) -1 (high activation cost) = 12-4|18-7 = 8|11 = 7 :gravity|10 :gravity + 1card

Trojan Horse (regular usage 1 Blessing | 1 Chaos Power)
-5|-8 (attack) +1|2 (6|9hp) + 30|36 (venom x10|x12) +0|-2 (-1 to -2 upgraded) -2 (trio) -1 (high activation cost) -3|-3 (cost of additional card and upgrade) = 30-10|36-14 = 20|22 = 19 :gravity|21 :gravity + 1card

Summary: The card's cost needs to be absurdly high if you want to keep the Venom at Attack x2.

If the effect only did 1 poison per damage dealt

Trojan Horse (regular usage 1 Blessing | 1 Chaos Power)
-5|-8 (attack) +1|2 (6|9hp) + 15|18 (venom x10|x12) +0|-2 (-1 to -2 upgraded) -2 (trio) -1 (high activation cost) -3|-3 (cost of additional card and upgrade) = 15-10|18-14 = 5|4 = 4 :gravity|3 :gravity + 1card
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