Time Slip | Time Slip

[Hyroen]

NAME: Time Slip ELEMENT: Time COST: 8 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Target card's owner must draw 2 other copies from their deck.	NAME: Time Slip ELEMENT: Time COST: 7 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Target card's owner must draw 2 other copies from their deck.

ART: miamiamia SOURCE IDEA: Hyroen NOTES: Time Slip may affect both players. If you target a card of the opponent, you will not know the identity of the card you chose unless the opponent is already affected by Precognition. Naturally, if there is no space in their hand, nothing else is drawn. Trying to get back into the creativity. Opinions? SERIES:

[Drake_XIV]

Hyro, why you no use built-in Imgur uploader?

This is an interesting concept.  I worry about locking down an opponent when using it with Nightmare...

[Hyroen]

Haha, yeah for some reason the built-in image uploader is being wonky for me. That's the only reason.

Aside, Nightmare could be a problem and I've been thinking that may be an issue of pricing.  Time Slip may deserve a +1 to cost.

[jawdirk]

When the enemy's hand is full, this card removes all but one of a card from his deck (the one that is already in his hand). It could easily destroy his entire strategy, or leave him helpless against your deck. Comboing it with nightmare and precognition can do this pretty easily.

Using it on yourself is another problem. It is a lot of card advantage. It is like a cheap fractal that works on any card type, including pillars.

To fix these, I think it should only at most fill their hand (no forced discarding). They will still lose their next draw if it fills their hand, of course. Also, it should only be able to target enemy cards. Look at the cost difference between Fractal and Nightmare. There is a reason why they are two different cards.

[Drake_XIV]

And an early one can wreck deck that has a slow start.  Maybe limit it to Creatures?  Or at least remove Pillar/Pendulums from being targeted?

[Hyroen]

Would it be better if its cost was increased by 1 and instead of forcing discard it would place all other copies on the top of your deck?

[jawdirk]

Would it be better if its cost was increased by 1 and instead of forcing discard it would place all other copies on the top of your deck?

Maybe, but it would kind of suck to spend the rest of the game drawing aether towers.

[Hyroen]

Maybe, but it would kind of suck to spend the rest of the game drawing aether towers.

Well timing should be an important focus in the element of Time should it not?

[Drake_XIV]

What if you just draw what you can to your hand?  Leave the rest in the deck?

[Hyroen]

It would definitely make more thematic sense to put extra copies on top of your deck if discarding is unbalanced. I wanted extra copies to slip out of existence if there was no space, however placing in the near future could work as well.

I would think thematics before mechanics right? I really would prefer this card to maintain its "timed" theme without having to be too overpowered. Even if it means cost increases.

[OldTrees]

Putting junk on top of the deck is more powerful than discarding most of a valuable card from a deck. This is not always true since sometimes deck size is more important than drawing cards. However in the default case where the majority of the deck is intact, ruining the next few draws is more powerful than reducing the opponent to a couple copies of a card. (Player 1 targeting pillars first turn is an obvious exception)

[Drake_XIV]

It would definitely make more thematic sense to put extra copies on top of your deck if discarding is unbalanced. I wanted extra copies to slip out of existence if there was no space, however placing in the near future could work as well.

I would think thematics before mechanics right? I really would prefer this card to maintain its "timed" theme without having to be too overpowered. Even if it means cost increases.

Is there really a thematic difference?  When I envision a Time Slip, it is simply the manipulation of time to an uncontrolled point.  Here it is when as many copies have been drawn from the deck.  The issue, however, lies with the excess and how you want to approach it.

With your idea of bringing all copies to the top of the deck, that is quite strong, especially without drawing power, seeing as you've guaranteed almost dead draws for the next n turns if done so correctly, despite the quanta that would we generated in that time.  However, this will not have much impact in the endgame when decks have waned in size...

If you do wish to maintain the effect as is, then the cost increase is evident.  But I would still be concerned with how quickly, especially in upgraded play, this can be played and lockdown early draws.