Tidal Lotus | Surge Lotus

[OdinVanguard]

NAME: Tidal Lotus ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Target player gains +4 purity. Spawn four 1|2 Tidalings for their opponent. Surgelings produce 1 per turn each.	NAME: Surge Lotus ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Target player gains +8 purity. Spawn four 2|2 Surgelings for their opponent. Surgelings produce 1 per turn each.

ART: Original Art Link: http://www.freeimages.com/photo/lotus-flower-1367607  Edited by OdinVanguard using GIMP IDEA: OdinVanguard NOTES: "Today is a good day to go with the flow of things" "May blessings, like rivers, flow." 'purity' here means the inverse of poison. Unlike the spell purify, this poison count is not zeroed out if the target has a non-zero poison count. Instead, the purity count is subtracted from the poison count and only becomes 'purity' counters if this crosses zero. E.g. 1) Target player has 6 poison counters. They are targetted by Tidal Lotus. They end with a net of 2 poison. 2) Target player has 2 poison counters and is targetted by Tidal Lotus. The +4 purity is added to yield a net of 2 purity counters (heal 2 per turn) 3) Target player has 2 purity. Tidal lotus is cast on them. They then will have a total of 6 purity (heal 6 per turn). There should be several uses for this card. Otyugh fodder, empathic bond, SoP, flood, quanta production ramp etc. Spoiler for Hidden: NAME: Tidaling ELEMENT: Water COST: 1 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 1 | 2 TEXT: Produce each turn. NAME: Surgeling ELEMENT: Water COST: 1 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2 | 2 TEXT: Produce each turn. ART: OdinVanguard IDEA: OdinVanguard NOTES: Small water producing creature. SERIES: SERIES:

[ARTHANASIOS]

this & permafrost

[Manuel]

i don't like something so similar as effect and name in the same elements of purify (even if doesn't remove sosac)

the card is cool, but + 8 purity in the upped one is really a lot, 1 surge lotus= 2 sancts, and doesn't force me to run life mark like sog and isn't weak to pc

this card can be so sweet in 500 hp decks

[andretimpa]

this & permafrost

this + frost + flooding

[OdinVanguard]

i don't like something so similar as effect and name in the same elements of purify (even if doesn't remove sosac)

the card is cool, but + 8 purity in the upped one is really a lot, 1 surge lotus= 2 sancts, and doesn't force me to run life mark like sog and isn't weak to pc

this card can be so sweet in 500 hp decks

The idea was that the Tidalings / Surgelings would offset the purity buff and vice-versa... Maybe give them a small ATK buff and / or drop purity bonus a bit?

[Manuel]

i don't like something so similar as effect and name in the same elements of purify (even if doesn't remove sosac)

the card is cool, but + 8 purity in the upped one is really a lot, 1 surge lotus= 2 sancts, and doesn't force me to run life mark like sog and isn't weak to pc

this card can be so sweet in 500 hp decks

The idea was that the Tidalings / Surgelings would offset the purity buff and vice-versa... Maybe give them a small ATK buff and / or drop purity bonus a bit?

probably isn't OP (i don't even talk about being OP) since sanc and sog are in another element, i was thinking about bows

but think about the fact that the only real element able to "counter" this card is  , forest scorpion is a terrible card, dune scorpion is meh, i think 6 "counters" for the upped one should be enough, or buff the surgelings' atk and hp a little bit

[andretimpa]

i don't like something so similar as effect and name in the same elements of purify (even if doesn't remove sosac)

the card is cool, but + 8 purity in the upped one is really a lot, 1 surge lotus= 2 sancts, and doesn't force me to run life mark like sog and isn't weak to pc

this card can be so sweet in 500 hp decks

The idea was that the Tidalings / Surgelings would offset the purity buff and vice-versa... Maybe give them a small ATK buff and / or drop purity bonus a bit?

probably isn't OP (i don't even talk about being OP) since sanc and sog are in another element, i was thinking about bows

but think about the fact that the only real element able to "counter" this card is  , forest scorpion is a terrible card, dune scorpion is meh, i think 6 "counters" for the upped one should be enough, or buff the surgelings' atk and hp a little bit

Actually, any break tactic counters this if it's on its own (Pharaoh / FFQ / Overdrive / Fractal). Things get trickier if you are comboing this with flood, because the field slot denial starts to be relevant.

[Manuel]

^in part, but i feel like this card is a lot more solid than other "heal" cards in the game

btw if u keep the tokens at 2/2 u can kill them with dessication and get 8  quanta lol, idk if is something good or is irrilevant

[OdinVanguard]

^in part, but i feel like this card is a lot more solid than other "heal" cards in the game

btw if u keep the tokens at 2/2 u can kill them with dessication and get 8  quanta lol, idk if is something good or is irrilevant

probably need to raise the stats. I forgot dessication deals 2 damage...
The surgelings serve a couple of roles, but the primary one is to "negate" the healing given by purity (at least partly).

If you notice, the 4 / 8 purity provides exactly the same amount of healing as the damage that the surgelings / tidalings would end up dealing to you (unless you have a shield of course).

The point is to make players combo this card to be successful...

The discussion helps though. I think the surgelings / tidalings need to be dealing more damage than the purity heals, not break even, because they are more vulnerable (lots of CC effects) than the healing from purity (only removable by poison effects)...

how much more damage though...

[Naii_the_Baf]

Bone Wall with this makes me happy.
Except for the part I need an AoE spell.

[kaempfer13]

You also have to consider the synergy with SoP; I think 4 tokens with 1 card is just to many, 2 of these (almost just 1 is enough) and flooding and permafrost lock most boards alright and 2 of these are enough to get the flooding synergy with SoP (not that flooding would actually be required in this+SoP). I would change it to 2 2|3 s unupped (this is a bit risky, as permafrost still blocks it all, but paying 3 quanta for 4 healing and limiting the opponent to 4 creature slots while requiring a 3 card combo including a really bad card seems reasonable), 4|3 s upped while otherwise leaving the card unchanged, I think that keeps them just out of range of a lot of possible scenarios of abuse.

[OdinVanguard]

You also have to consider the synergy with SoP; I think 4 tokens with 1 card is just to many, 2 of these (almost just 1 is enough) and flooding and permafrost lock most boards alright and 2 of these are enough to get the flooding synergy with SoP (not that flooding would actually be required in this+SoP). I would change it to 2 2|3 s unupped (this is a bit risky, as permafrost still blocks it all, but paying 3 quanta for 4 healing and limiting the opponent to 4 creature slots while requiring a 3 card combo including a really bad card seems reasonable), 4|3 s upped while otherwise leaving the card unchanged, I think that keeps them just out of range of a lot of possible scenarios of abuse.

Seems reasonable.

The potential synnergy with flooding and also with SoP is part of the intent. Its a bit tricky getting the balance right though. Thanks for the feedback there!