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bobcamel

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Thunderbird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3509.msg31116#msg31116
« on: March 01, 2010, 08:27:00 pm »
I have no creativity so I just ported a creature from some other place




And while you are here, also please comment on this other idea. It never got any replies, and this is bad. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3335.0.html)

Comment on both/all three.

Grimdrome

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Re: Thunderbird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3509.msg31124#msg31124
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 08:35:19 pm »
Is this a full powered lightning? If so you should probably lower its stats a bit. Also if the enemy has no creatures are you forced to attack one of your own or can you just choose not to use it?

bobcamel

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Re: Thunderbird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3509.msg31125#msg31125
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2010, 08:36:27 pm »
What creatures? You cast the Lighting directly on the enemy, not his/her creatures. Wording clearly says nothing about creatures.

The biggest flaw of this idea is that it is a bit similar to the Dragon.

(also comment on Ward of Light in the linked thread pls)

Grimdrome

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Re: Thunderbird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3509.msg31172#msg31172
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2010, 10:09:55 pm »
So essentially if the opponent has no shields then it does 11/12 damage?

bobcamel

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Re: Thunderbird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3509.msg31177#msg31177
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2010, 10:31:30 pm »
And here we get to the fun part.

If the enemy has normal shields, the damage is reduced normally. Thunderbird's attack does 3 damage, Lighting does 5 damage.
If the enemy has shields of chance, then it still looks like normal - everything hits or not.
If the enemy has a Reflective Shield, the Lighting goes at YOU.

With the Elite one, it's even funnier. When the Lighting is separated from how the attack went, it will try and hit ALWAYS. Dimshield doesn't block spells, Bonewall doesn't block spells, just the initial 7 damage... Dusk Mantle may make the 7 damage miss, but not the Lighting.
But, of course, Reflective Shield does the job of reflecting the Lighting at you.

And, even funnier and possibly in an overpowered way, Adrenaline on Thunderbird does 3 attacks - 6+L , 4+L and 2+L. If L is not reflected, it's 27 damage.
Elite one gets 7+L, 5+L, 3+L to a whoopassing 30 damage... unless you can reflect the spells, still, then it's 15 damage to enemy and 15 to you.

And Elite one is not stopped by Sundials... hm, I should bump it cost to 14, actually.

(and comment on Ward of Light pls unless you did)

icybraker

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Re: Thunderbird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3509.msg31187#msg31187
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2010, 11:01:18 pm »
Lol, very interesting card and a novel concept. However, the adrenaline thing really puts me off; that's a lot of damage for a "relatively" cheap cost.

Lanidrak

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Re: Thunderbird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3509.msg31234#msg31234
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 12:52:48 am »
Shouldn't it be Aether?

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Re: Thunderbird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3509.msg31236#msg31236
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 12:55:46 am »
lol, this is basically a kind of dragon (tho not officially). i like it
my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard and they're like "its better than yours" damn right, its better than yours! i can teach you but i'd have to charge!

icybraker

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Re: Thunderbird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3509.msg31237#msg31237
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 12:55:59 am »
Shouldn't it be Aether?
Well, it is a "Bird". :P

Lanidrak

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Re: Thunderbird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3509.msg31242#msg31242
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2010, 01:00:48 am »
Should I give you the link to my thread a while ago - where I suggested that Lightning and Sparks become Air element? Seeing as Air already has Thunderstorm...

Anyways, that thread got shot down big time :)



Anyways, this card is a bit pointless. I don't see the real necessity in 'wow good ability, overpowered' with 'cost is high' to balance it...

By the time you get 13 Air Quanta to put this into play, your opponent can have any number of other cards already in play. Therefore, this card only really fits into a mono Air deck.

So, provided your deck is 18 Air Pillars, 6 Thunderbirds and 6 of N Card. That's 60% Pillars... 20% Thunderbirds and 20% of any other Air card...

Which is pretty much what a Mono-Aether Dragon Deck looks like. So, this thing in my opinion is just a Dragon with an Ability. Sure, it's interesting to see how the spell will be blocked or reflected etc... But, no-one apart from a mono-air deck would ever use it.




icybraker

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Re: Thunderbird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3509.msg31244#msg31244
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2010, 01:03:25 am »
Should I give you the link to my thread a while ago - where I suggested that Lightning and Sparks become Air element? Seeing as Air already has Thunderstorm...

Anyways, that thread got shot down big time :)
Yeah, and I'd argue against it again if it weren't off topic. :D

Unit, your new signature upsets me. :P

Anyways, back on topic. What about a passive ability of the lightning-casting thing, but the passive ability costs 1 :aether every turn? Once you're out of :aether , it no longer uses its passive ability.

Lanidrak

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Re: Thunderbird https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3509.msg31247#msg31247
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2010, 01:07:21 am »
@Icybraker, been suggested many times...

Something like a Lightning Generator/Tesla Coil... It's ability costs :aether :aether and it has x% y% and z% to cast either a Spark, a Lightning or 'do nothing'. I don't think Passive Abilities (as in, pay x quanta each turn or card is removed from play / or, every turn you lose x quanta and this happens) are ready to be implemented. It wouldn't be hard, just the opposite of what happens when you have a Fire Pillar in play and hit Spacebar. Simply, you have a Generic Card with Passive Ability and at the start of your turn you lose X quanta of Y Type and it does it's ability.

 

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