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The Force | The Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33713.msg425102#msg425102
« on: November 14, 2011, 02:46:25 am »

NAME:
The Force
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
2 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
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Deal 4 damage to target creature.  Add 2 damage if Cardinal or spiritual and subtract 1 if not.
NAME:
The Force
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Gravity
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1 :gravity
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Spell
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TEXT:
Deal 4 damage to target creature.  Add 2 damage if Cardinal or spiritual and subtract 1 if not.
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Elements the Game
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Rutarete
NOTES:
Cardinal Elements:  :aether :entropy :gravity :time
Spiritual Elements:  :darkness :death :life :light
Material Elements:  :air :earth :fire :water
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Re: The Force | The Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33713.msg425105#msg425105
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2011, 02:48:28 am »
So either deal 6 damage to 8 elements, or 3 to 4 elements.

Meh.
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Re: The Force | The Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33713.msg425108#msg425108
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2011, 02:51:46 am »
So either deal 6 damage to 8 elements, or 3 to 4 elements.

Meh.
What change would make it not 'meh'?
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Re: The Force | The Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33713.msg425110#msg425110
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2011, 02:57:19 am »
So either deal 6 damage to 8 elements, or 3 to 4 elements.

Meh.
What change would make it not 'meh'?
Perhaps it's just that the mechanics don't suit the game. Partial buffs such as Eclipse and SoP are useful, and all, but there's still the matter of how to distinguish the elements and divide them properly. Rather, it almost seems like you're leaving it to Gravity to decide the boundary (I know it was Zanz's, Bloodshadow's, and many others who separated the elements into archetypes, but that is something that the new player will not understand) of what constitutes as a subgroup among the elements.
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Re: The Force | The Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33713.msg425159#msg425159
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2011, 05:22:51 am »
Average of 6.27 damage for only 2 or 1 :gravity? OP imo

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Re: The Force | The Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33713.msg425514#msg425514
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2011, 11:58:17 pm »
Average of 6.27 damage for only 2 or 1 :gravity? OP imo
Would cost of 3 |2 be better?
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Re: The Force | The Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33713.msg425523#msg425523
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2011, 12:30:55 am »
Average of 6.27 damage for only 2 or 1 :gravity? OP imo
Would cost of 3 |2 be better?
My math might be wrong, but isn't the average damage 5?
8 out of 12 element creatures take 6 damage = 6*8 = 48
4 out of 12 element creatures take 3 damage = 3*4 = 12

48 + 12 = 60 / 12 Elements = 5 damage on average.

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Re: The Force | The Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33713.msg425588#msg425588
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2011, 03:05:26 am »
Average of 6.27 damage for only 2 or 1 :gravity? OP imo
Would cost of 3 |2 be better?
My math might be wrong, but isn't the average damage 5?
8 out of 12 element creatures take 6 damage = 6*8 = 48
4 out of 12 element creatures take 3 damage = 3*4 = 12

48 + 12 = 60 / 12 Elements = 5 damage on average.
Huh you're right. How the heck did I get such a weird number? Wow I feel stupiderp.

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Re: The Force | The Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33713.msg425590#msg425590
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2011, 03:13:44 am »
 So with 5 average damage, it's like Lightning. Yeah, the value changes depending on elements, but it's kinda meh.
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Re: The Force | The Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33713.msg425591#msg425591
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2011, 03:15:38 am »
So with 5 average damage, it's like Lightning. Yeah, the value changes depending on elements, but it's kinda meh.
What would you change to make it not 'meh'?
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Re: The Force | The Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33713.msg425597#msg425597
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2011, 03:38:02 am »
So with 5 average damage, it's like Lightning. Yeah, the value changes depending on elements, but it's kinda meh.
What would you change to make it not 'meh'?
Well, let's see. The element/damage alignment seems right for a card called "The Force", the cost should probably be increased, but the actual mechanics… they might be too boring, just dealing damage, but I also feel like the damage to element thing is enough. So, I'm not exactly sure whether it's truly meh and needs a better mechanic, or it just needs some tiny adjustments. The other thing is that "The Force" makes me imagine a creature, or an elemental, to aim some kind of energy at something else, moving it backward. That makes me think that it should be something slowing down the opponent, so one way to change it would be to decrease a creature's attack instead of its health (still keeping the element controlling the value thing). If you did that, it would probably need a decrease in damage (attack lowering), but you could keep the cost the same.
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Re: The Force | The Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33713.msg425598#msg425598
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2011, 03:40:10 am »
Are there even any cards in the game that directly lower attack? I can't think of any at the moment. (not including AM)
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