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The Cake is a Lie ! / All Cakes are Lies ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36194.msg455212#msg455212
« on: January 31, 2012, 06:06:21 am »
NAME:
The Cake is a Lie !
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Give target player a freaky yet delicious cake which contains Relics. 2 Relics are randomly added to target's deck.
NAME:
All Cakes are Lies !
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Give target player a freaky yet delicious cake which contains Relics. 3 Relics are randomly added to target's deck.
ART:
wikimedia commons + waterzx
IDEA:
waterzx
NOTES:
ok, I lied when I told OldTrees I wouldn't have time to make more cards. I just can't resist the fun of making cards. And here comes my idea.

This card also gives me an inspiration. Thank you moomoose
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,36183.0.html

This card is basically a draw-denial card. Fill your opponent's deck with useless Relics to give you some card advantage.

Note that the three Relic cards are added to random positions of the opponent's deck and will not replace any existing cards

This should suit the theme of manipulating opponent's cards of Darkness (Nightmare and Steal)

You may want to increase the cost because it seems a bit OP

*Probably this card could turn other cakes into something else if Zan suddenly decided to make "Cake" series for the game
SERIES:
NAME:
The Cake is a Lie !
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Give your opponent a freaky yet delicious cake which contains Relics. Opponent gets 3 Relics in his/her deck
NAME:
All Cakes are Lies !
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Give your opponent a freaky yet delicious cake which contains Relics. Opponent gets 3 Relics in his/her deck
ART:
wikimedia commons + waterzx
IDEA:
waterzx
NOTES:
ok, I lied when I told OldTrees I wouldn't have time to make more cards. I just can't resist the fun of making cards. And here comes my idea.

This card also gives me an inspiration. Thank you moomoose
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,36183.0.html

This card is basically a draw-denial card. Fill your opponent's deck with useless Relics to give you some card advantage.

Note that the three Relic cards are added to random positions of the opponent's deck and will not replace any existing cards

This should suit the theme of manipulating opponent's cards of Darkness (Nightmare and Steal)

You may want to increase the cost because it seems a bit OP

*Probably this card could turn other cakes into something else if Zan suddenly decided to make "Cake" series for the game
SERIES:

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Re: The Cake is a Lie ! / All Cakes are Lies ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36194.msg455219#msg455219
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2012, 06:42:06 am »
opponent's deck gets 10% fatter? Seems pretty powerful.

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Re: The Cake is a Lie ! / All Cakes are Lies ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36194.msg455221#msg455221
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2012, 06:55:59 am »
opponent's deck gets 10% fatter? Seems pretty powerful.
Especially win you can pack 6 of these to make more than 50% of the opponent's deck become useless...
Higher cost/less relics might do.
What I suggest:
Unupped: 4 darkness, 2 relics
Upped: 5 darkness, 3 relics

Alternatively you can have it adding one relic to your deck as a kind of backfiring.
PVE shouldn't be all about copying a deck code and converting time into electrum, score, and potentially rares.
If the only way to derive fun from a game is its PVP content, then non-hardcore players a.k.a. the mass are alienated from the hardcore community.

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Re: The Cake is a Lie ! / All Cakes are Lies ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36194.msg455247#msg455247
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2012, 08:35:27 am »
So you guys think this card will be a good idea ?

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Re: The Cake is a Lie ! / All Cakes are Lies ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36194.msg455249#msg455249
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2012, 08:37:04 am »
So you guys think this card will be a good idea ?
Not bad, but less relics will be appreciated.
Edit: Well... I'm not sure either. I was focusing too much on rushes.
PVE shouldn't be all about copying a deck code and converting time into electrum, score, and potentially rares.
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Re: The Cake is a Lie ! / All Cakes are Lies ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36194.msg455251#msg455251
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2012, 08:54:50 am »
So you guys think this card will be a good idea ?
Not bad, but less relics will be appreciated.
Edit: Well... I'm not sure either. I was focusing too much on rushes.
I will make a nerfed version later.

One more question : Should this card be able to target owner for anti-deck-out ?

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Re: The Cake is a Lie ! / All Cakes are Lies ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36194.msg455253#msg455253
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 09:01:35 am »
So you guys think this card will be a good idea ?
Not bad, but less relics will be appreciated.
Edit: Well... I'm not sure either. I was focusing too much on rushes.
I will make a nerfed version later.

One more question : Should this card be able to target owner for anti-deck-out ?
Sure!  ;D
PVE shouldn't be all about copying a deck code and converting time into electrum, score, and potentially rares.
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Re: The Cake is a Lie ! / All Cakes are Lies ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36194.msg455500#msg455500
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2012, 02:35:48 am »
The cake is remade.

Reasons for the cost :

Reverse Time acts as draw-denial and removes opponent's creature on field and yet it costs 2 :time

This cake (unupped) acts as draw-denial but it cannot remove opponent's creature. Although it can add 2 Relics, the Relics are added to random positions, so on balance, the cost of 3  :darkness should be reasonable

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Re: The Cake is a Lie ! / All Cakes are Lies ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36194.msg455507#msg455507
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2012, 03:00:03 am »
Lol. might need a theme change but the actual mechanic and idea is brilliant
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Re: The Cake is a Lie ! / All Cakes are Lies ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36194.msg455512#msg455512
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2012, 03:10:04 am »
Lol. might need a theme change but the actual mechanic and idea is brilliant
The theme means the element, or the cake ?

if you mean the element, I have already explained that.

And this card is supposed to be a troll card  :P so I think using a fake cake is troll enough

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Re: The Cake is a Lie ! / All Cakes are Lies ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36194.msg455515#msg455515
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2012, 03:37:11 am »
Lol. might need a theme change but the actual mechanic and idea is brilliant
The theme means the element, or the cake ?

if you mean the element, I have already explained that.

And this card is supposed to be a troll card  :P so I think using a fake cake is troll enough
What I mean is youre obviously using a line from portal, and Idk if zanz will let that fly for a card in his game with very basic card names
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Re: The Cake is a Lie ! / All Cakes are Lies ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36194.msg455517#msg455517
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2012, 03:54:45 am »
Might be a downer for those who haven't gotten that far in Portal, but interesting nonetheless
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