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Re: Teleportation Error | Technical Difficulty https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52997.msg1117274#msg1117274
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2013, 02:18:24 pm »
I'm pretty sure it sais "
The reason why it has such high quanta cost is in case your opponent has a high quanta monster and you want to use this on it, it wouldn't be broken.
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So I assumed you could pick the target.

If that is right, a better way of wording it could be something like
'Target creature switches side of the field and is mutated'.

If I'm wrong, a better way of wording it could be something like
'A random creature switches side of the field and is mutated'.
be quick- time is quanta.

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Re: Teleportation Error | Technical Difficulty https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52997.msg1117290#msg1117290
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2013, 05:22:56 pm »
I would be OK with this card being PU + mutation, instead of instakill + mutation. That is, if you can target a creature, you can create a mutant/abomination. The increased cost compared with mutation could compensate for not needing to use fodder. This way, you sacrifice speed to save deck space.
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Re: Teleportation Error | Technical Difficulty https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52997.msg1117296#msg1117296
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2013, 07:44:42 pm »
It's instant kill plus Mutate on a photon.
That's it. What you target has no bearing on what you receive.
Oh yeah, you opponent will just have a random photon sitting there... The only decks that use Photon are ImmoBow (Which kills photons the turn they're played) and Fractal Ray of Light... Photons are NOT very popular, therefore your statement is inaccurate.
this just gave me an headache.

'That creature switches to the other side and is mutated'
it's not about the photon. It's true for any creature.

This is worse than an instant-kill card (unless the opponent happens to have antimatter/sosac).
You create a mutant as well.
Another way to create such a mutant is by mutating a creature, for example a photon.

Currently, this card is instantly using 4 cards:
freeze, shockwave, [creature], mutation.
I can see your contempt, but the fact that Mutation has a chance of killing the monster is a big factor. A lot of decks run SoSac and antimatter! Those are 2 of the most common CC.
I would never use this as it could easily shoot backwards and not even steal one of my creatures, but give a mutant to my opponent. I'd stick to Fallen Druid instead.
This is exactly why I created the card in this manner, it equals it out and isn't too broken.
I'm pretty sure it sais "
The reason why it has such high quanta cost is in case your opponent has a high quanta monster and you want to use this on it, it wouldn't be broken.
"
So I assumed you could pick the target.

If that is right, a better way of wording it could be something like
'Target creature switches side of the field and is mutated'.

If I'm wrong, a better way of wording it could be something like
'A random creature switches side of the field and is mutated'.
You are correct in assuming you can target the creature. The wording I used on the card isn't too confusing and I'm too lazy to switch the card wording for something that isn't that critical.
I would be OK with this card being PU + mutation, instead of instakill + mutation. That is, if you can target a creature, you can create a mutant/abomination. The increased cost compared with mutation could compensate for not needing to use fodder. This way, you sacrifice speed to save deck space.
Let's say your opponent uses an antimatter on your Ivory Dragon, you wouldn't want that antimattered monster clogging up your space so you use TE on it to get rid of it. It's less insta kill than the Bolts.
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Re: Teleportation Error | Technical Difficulty https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52997.msg1117309#msg1117309
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2013, 09:09:06 pm »
tl;dr

Kidding.

But saying that a strong creature is worse than a weaker one because of antimatter and SoSac is like saying Blue Crawler is better than Horned Frog because blue crawler is better to target with nightmare.

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Re: Teleportation Error | Technical Difficulty https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52997.msg1117312#msg1117312
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2013, 09:21:24 pm »
If the point is insta killing your creatures, cremation does the job better. No extra creature to deal with and you even get quanta out of the deal. Of course, that's not why people use cremation. In the situation you described, mutation alone does the job better (it is also a card that goes well with this one), that's why my suggestion focused in preventing instakilling opponent creatures.
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Re: Teleportation Error | Technical Difficulty https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52997.msg1117316#msg1117316
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2013, 09:47:59 pm »
If the point is insta killing your creatures, cremation does the job better. No extra creature to deal with and you even get quanta out of the deal. Of course, that's not why people use cremation. In the situation you described, mutation alone does the job better (it is also a card that goes well with this one), that's why my suggestion focused in preventing instakilling opponent creatures.
So what do you presume I should do? It's just like a steal, there's no opposition to that

tl;dr

Kidding.

But saying that a strong creature is worse than a weaker one because of antimatter and SoSac is like saying Blue Crawler is better than Horned Frog because blue crawler is better to target with nightmare.
Yeah, I'm just saying in a worst case scenario when you just want to get it off of your back and you have no other CC.
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Re: Teleportation Error | Technical Difficulty https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52997.msg1117332#msg1117332
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2013, 11:27:04 pm »
So what do you presume I should do? It's just like a steal, there's no opposition to that

But that's an important difference between creatures and permanents!
Every form of PC allows instant destroying of permanents (okay, there still is the summoning sickness).
be quick- time is quanta.

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Re: Teleportation Error | Technical Difficulty https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52997.msg1117357#msg1117357
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2013, 05:04:38 am »
So what do you presume I should do? It's just like a steal, there's no opposition to that

But that's an important difference between creatures and permanents!
Every form of PC allows instant destroying of permanents (okay, there still is the summoning sickness).
I see your point, but this isn't nearly as outlandish as the Root of Life card, yet this is getting so much opposition! The card's cost is enough of a balance! Should the text read "Remove the rest of your :entropy quanta?
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Re: Teleportation Error | Technical Difficulty https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52997.msg1117407#msg1117407
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2013, 03:08:55 pm »
Interesting idea actually, but the cost is too high. Definitely...

Art is nice :D

indeed, lower the cost

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Re: Teleportation Error | Technical Difficulty https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52997.msg1117491#msg1117491
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2013, 05:57:18 am »
Interesting idea actually, but the cost is too high. Definitely...

Art is nice :D

indeed, lower the cost
I lowered the Unnupped, but the upgraded card definitely is where it should be.
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Re: Teleportation Error | Technical Difficulty https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52997.msg1117570#msg1117570
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2013, 02:54:00 pm »
Interesting idea actually, but the cost is too high. Definitely...

Art is nice :D

indeed, lower the cost
I lowered the Unnupped, but the upgraded card definitely is where it should be.

unnuped 4/5 --- upped 6/7

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Re: Teleportation Error | Technical Difficulty https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52997.msg1117608#msg1117608
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2013, 07:41:23 pm »
The costs are fine honestly. The Unnuped may  be bumped down to 6, but the upped is guarenteeing a better monster, so It's staying as is for now. I know I have a low rating, but honestly, this is a good card idea!
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