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« on: February 16, 2011, 05:27:02 am »
NAME:
***Insert name***
ELEMENT:
Death? Darkness?
COST:
:underworld
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|3
TEXT:
:underworld :underworld ???: Gain -2|+5. Spawn a new ???.
NAME:
***Insert name (upgraded)***
ELEMENT:
Death? Darkness?
COST:
:underworld
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4|3
TEXT:
:underworld :underworld ???: Gain -2|+5. Spawn a new ???
ART:
***Insert artist name***
IDEA:
XYTWO
NOTES:
Basically, this makes a new doll and turns the user of the ability into a low-attack, high-HP kind of creature.

I'm not sure whether this should go in Death or Darkness, but it should be one of the two. Nightfall does this creature a load of good.
SERIES:
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Re: ??? | ??? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21269.msg271755#msg271755
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2011, 05:57:40 am »
[ :underworld being used to represent generic elemental quanta. No relation to the team or :rainbow quanta.]

Can the skill cause the attack to go negative?

If no then the upgraded gets a second use causing it to act in a very different manner than unupped.

TurnUnupped
Total Damage
Unupped
Total Cost
Upgraded
Total Damage
Upgraded
Total Cost
+03545
+177107
+21292011
+318113617
+425136227
+5331510443
+64217
+75219
+86321
+97523
+108825
+1110227
FFQ
Duo quanta cost +1 ~= Mono quanta cost
TurnUnupped
Total Damage
Unupped
Total Cost
Upgraded
Total Damage
Upgraded
Total Cost
+03737
+19101010
+218122112
+330143614
+445165516
+563187818
+6842010520
+710822
Although FFQ generates quanta and this adds creature hp.

All in all I think:
The unupped version is UP
The upgraded version is balanced vs FFQ. It takes more quanta (a lot more) but kills earlier. Playtesting would fine tune the casting cost.
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Re: ??? | ??? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21269.msg271788#msg271788
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2011, 08:08:19 am »
Whoops. Forgot to mention that the ability can only be used once per ??? , but newly spawned ones have it. So basically, you got the unupped one right, but the upped works the same as the unupped. I do kind of like the idea of not self-loboing and maybe giving both +1 attack, though. Any other opinions on this?

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2011, 04:40:49 pm »
So the Unupped has a +1|8 growth[+1.45 :underworld] and the upgraded has a +2|8 growth[+2.45 :underworld].

So cost
Unupped:3(attack)+1.45(+1|8 growth)-1(Activation cost 2-3 :underworld)=3 :underworld
Upgraded:4(attack)+2.45(+2|8 growth)-1(Activation cost 2-3 :underworld)-1.5(upgrade)=4 :underworld

3 :underworld|4 :underworld cost for single use skill
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2011, 11:15:59 pm »
...actually, I was saying the stats could be 4|3 unupped and 5|3 upped.

Just BTW, if I went with death as this card's element, would Bone Beast be a good name?

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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2011, 11:38:45 pm »
...actually, I was saying the stats could be 4|3 unupped and 5|3 upped.

Just BTW, if I went with death as this card's element, would Bone Beast be a good name?
Possibly. "Necromancer" works for Death too.

For darkness, you could use "Swirling Shadow" or "Dividing Shade".

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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2011, 01:38:35 am »
Bone Beast sounds like the best option.
It reconfigures its bones to free some bones to be combined with the addition :death to form a new Bone Beast.

...actually, I was saying the stats could be 4|3 unupped and 5|3 upped.

Just BTW, if I went with death as this card's element, would Bone Beast be a good name?
So the Unupped would be a +2|8 growth[+2.45 :underworld] and the upgraded has a +3|8 growth[+3.45 :underworld].

So cost
Unupped:4(attack)+2.45(+1|8 growth)-1(Activation cost 2-3 :underworld)=5 :underworld
Upgraded:5(attack)+3.45(+2|8 growth)-1(Activation cost 2-3 :underworld)-1.5(upgrade)=6 :underworld

5 :underworld|6 :underworld cost for single use skill
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