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Syzygy | Syzygy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5838.msg59834#msg59834
« on: April 27, 2010, 12:27:44 pm »

Syzygy | Syzygy
(Quantum Mechanics)
NAME:
Syzygy
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
3 :aether
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
-
ABILITY:
Generates x quanta for each element in which you have 6 or more quanta where x is the number of elements in which you have 6 or more quanta. Will not generate more quanta per element than your current :aether.
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NOTES:
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ART BY:
Art Idea - An aligning of Planets
IDEA BY:
Kael Hate
NAME:
Syzygy
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
1 :aether
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
-
ABILITY:
Generates x quanta for each element in which you have 2 or more quanta where x is the number of elements in which you have 2 or more quanta. Will not generate more quanta per element than your current :aether.
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NOTES:
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ART BY:
Art Idea - An aligning of Planets
IDEA BY:
Kael Hate
COMMENTS: [/color][/b]
- A Syzygy is an alignment often of planets and commonly forseen as a generator of power.
- could use some refinement to card text.

- Fixed the values in the card text from copy paste error.
                                                                                                                                                                                                 
SERIES: [/color][/b]
QUANTUM MECHANICS
 Other
   - Quantum Rush (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5174.msg57701#msg57701)
   - Supplicant Pillar (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5645.msg63803#msg63803)
   - Renewal Pillar (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5644.msg63800#msg63800)
   - Harmonic Pillar (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5643.msg63798#msg63798)
   - Soul Pillar (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5642.msg63794#msg63794)
   - Shard of Power (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5641.msg63791#msg63791)
   - Dusk Totem (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5565.msg62813#msg62813)
   - Dawn Totem (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5564.msg62805#msg62805)
 Aether
   - Syzygy (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5838.msg66296#msg66296)
 Air
   - Weather Control (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5693.msg64667#msg64667)
 Darkness
 Death
 Earth
 Entropy
   - Prismatic Burst (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5569.msg62829#msg62829)
   - Pulsar (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5568.msg62826#msg62826)
   - Nihilistiskism (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5758.msg65375#msg65375)
 Fire
 Gravity
   - Luna Cycle (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5837.msg66277#msg66277)
 Life
   - Lotus Bloom (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5313.msg59729#msg59729)
   - Toil (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5761.msg65406#msg65406)
 Light
   - Spectal Mirror (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5557.msg62622#msg62622)
 Time
   - Essence Cycle (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5755.msg65360#msg65360)
 Water
   - Darkwater (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5760.msg65402#msg65402)

 Workshop
   - Brainstorm (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5361.msg60342#msg60342)                                                                                                                                                                                                       

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Re: Syzygy | Syzygy (Quantum Mechanics) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5838.msg59835#msg59835
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 12:29:25 pm »
Holy heck. Stop with the confusing ability descriptions. I can't make heads or tails of that ability no matter how many times I read it.
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Re: Syzygy | Syzygy (Quantum Mechanics) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5838.msg59837#msg59837
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2010, 12:33:00 pm »
Holy heck. Stop with the confusing ability descriptions. I can't make heads or tails of that ability no matter how many times I read it.
Can't believe the world is so simple.

Got 3 elements with at least 5 quanta in them, then you get 3 of each of those elements.
Got 12 elements with at least 5 quanta in them, then you get 12 of each of those elements.

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Re: Syzygy | Syzygy (Quantum Mechanics) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5838.msg59839#msg59839
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2010, 12:36:06 pm »
Holy heck. Stop with the confusing ability descriptions. I can't make heads or tails of that ability no matter how many times I read it.
Can't believe the world is so simple.

Got 3 elements with at least 5 quanta in them, then you get 3 of each of those elements.
Got 12 elements with at least 5 quanta in them, then you get 12 of each of those elements.
The world isn't so simple, you just over complicate simple things.

Even still, with your explanation of the ability, I think it's too complex of an ability. Not a fan of this card much at all.
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Re: Syzygy | Syzygy (Quantum Mechanics) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5838.msg59851#msg59851
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2010, 12:50:54 pm »
The world isn't so simple, you just over complicate simple things.

Even still, with your explanation of the ability, I think it's too complex of an ability. Not a fan of this card much at all.
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If its the card text that appears complex then we can change that, but ideas to me are never so vanilla and should use mechanics to give an effect unique to that card if it so deserves it. Many cards in many ccgs are enjoyed because they have a thought other than play this card to win.

Edit: Removed Unconstructive Statement.

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Re: Syzygy | Syzygy (Quantum Mechanics) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5838.msg59859#msg59859
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2010, 01:13:03 pm »
The world isn't so simple, you just over complicate simple things.

Even still, with your explanation of the ability, I think it's too complex of an ability. Not a fan of this card much at all.
K, Opinion noted.
For Kamietsu (Lol apparently translated is Hairy rat-tailed Anchovy) all card ideas must be Overpowered conglomerations of existing cards or plain pillars and dragons.

If its the card text that appears complex then we can change that, but ideas to me are never so vanilla and should use mechanics to give an effect unique to that card if it so deserves it. Many cards in many ccgs are enjoyed because they have a thought other than play this card to win.
Yeah, because personal attacks will get you everywhere. I would suggest not being like that.

Placing words under my fingers is a pretty petty and immature act. Even I thought you were above such a thing. But it's ok. I know you think you are elitist. I just hope you do better at your role on this forum than you do coming up with card ideas. Most of them are either too mundane, or over complex. Both of which do not have anything to do with being overpowered.

Work on quality, not quantity.
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Re: Syzygy | Syzygy (Quantum Mechanics) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5838.msg59860#msg59860
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2010, 01:14:47 pm »
I agree with Kamietsu 100%. The ability is ridiculously complicated. The complexity for Elements should come from card combinations, not single cards. Most KIDS who play Elements will most definitely have hard time understanding this card.

This is actually a mistake I see in marketing all the time: people over-complicating things and then blaming the customer for "not getting it" (kind of like you do here with Kami). Simple approach is always the best. Not because people are idiots, but because simplicity is beautiful.

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Re: Syzygy | Syzygy (Quantum Mechanics) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5838.msg59872#msg59872
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2010, 01:38:08 pm »
Ok anyone who wants to abuse complexity of my ideas, I'm not interested. The cards I am offering are mechanically sound and for the people who like the obtuse options that can be offered in a digital environment.

I had already stated that in the original submission that the card could have refinement to the card text. If saying its too complex is all you got to help with then all I can do is ignore you.

Most of my ideas are for the upper-tier thinkers and players of the game. Complexity and Intracity are apparent to give the card dimensions greater than its first glance. Simplicity can be beautiful when a simple solution can caters for all needs and situations. Games like Magic the Gathering continue to evolve and explore mechanics and directions far beyond what was offered in the original game. Yes, lightning bolt still exists for it is a staple card efficient and can deal with any situation in almost the same way. How many decks are based on Lightning bolt as a key card. Mostly None.


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Re: Syzygy | Syzygy (Quantum Mechanics) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5838.msg59876#msg59876
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2010, 01:43:04 pm »
It doesn't help too much whether your card is mechanically sound or not if no one can understand what it does.

Either, this card can be pretty abusive for rainbow decks who get large amounts of quanta in many quanta pools very fast. I could easily have 5+ quanta in each of my quanta pools, use this card, and instantly, I can play almost my entire hand if i want to. And this card doesn't virtually nothing for mono decks. It should be an Entropy card, and aether deck can't really make use of this card at all. But if it was Entropy, this would be a good buff for Dissipation Field.
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Re: Syzygy | Syzygy (Quantum Mechanics) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5838.msg59884#msg59884
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2010, 01:52:43 pm »
It doesn't help too much whether your card is mechanically sound or not if no one can understand what it does.

Either, this card can be pretty abusive for rainbow decks who get large amounts of quanta in many quanta pools very fast. I could easily have 5+ quanta in each of my quanta pools, use this card, and instantly, I can play almost my entire hand if i want to. And this card doesn't virtually nothing for mono decks. It should be an Entropy card, and aether deck can't really make use of this card at all. But if it was Entropy, this would be a good buff for Dissipation Field.
Give me a screen shot and turn count with a deck where you broke this card even in rainbow. I've put this card through various test cases and can get good use out of it mid game but have faster play results with other methods early game. Only chance I got better than average is with the elite version when I got nova, a syzygy and 5 Aether towers which brought all elements up to 5 but had no cards to cast.

Show me rather than point out unfounded mechanical flaws.

I understand the card text may be too complex to read. I stated that work could be done there in the original submisson. Do you have a solution rather than a complaint?

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Re: Syzygy | Syzygy (Quantum Mechanics) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5838.msg59886#msg59886
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2010, 02:00:04 pm »
Turn 4 Good drawing. I got 3 out of 6 super novas.



Thinking back on it, I could just put a production limit on it. Cap it at not being able to produce more than 3-5 quanta per element.
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Re: Syzygy | Syzygy (Quantum Mechanics) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5838.msg59889#msg59889
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2010, 02:15:58 pm »
Turn 4 Good drawing. I got 3 out of 6 super novas.


What is your card marker for Syzygy?
lets say it was Fog Shield in you hand. You can now cast the Firefly queen and firefly you have in your hand, exactly the same situation you could have just done with your 15 air.

Also the Quanta doesn't add up properly.

4 from Air Mark
36 from Nova
12 from Tower Deployment
48 from Tower Generation
100 total max

Picture shows
117 quanta

What else happened?

 

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