Supplicant Pillar | Supplicant Tower

[Kael Hate]

Supplicant Pillar | Supplicant Tower
(Quantum Mechanics)

NAME: Supplicant Pillar ELEMENT: Other COST: 2 TYPE: Permanent (Pillar) ATK|HP: - ABILITY: Each turn generates 2 quanta for the Element in which you have the least but at least 1 quanta.	NAME: Supplicant Tower ELEMENT: Other COST: 2 TYPE: Permanent (Pillar) ATK|HP: - ABILITY: Each turn and when it enters play generates 2 quanta for the Element in which you have the least but at least 1 quanta.

ART: Kael Hate IDEA: Kael Hate NOTES: - Clusters SERIES: QUANTUM MECHANICS - A Series of Card Ideas for Quanta Production  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5981.msg67663#msg67663)

[unionruler]

Actually this is good for duos with all towers in one element and mark in another. Could even play RoL-Hope with Supplicant Towers first generating aether, switching to light once the first RoL is out to get the Hope up, and then back to aether again which would still be more useful than a standard aether tower. Many strategic possibilities would be made available--perhaps needs a slight nerf to balance it.

[Kael Hate]

Actually this is good for duos with all towers in one element and mark in another. Could even play RoL-Hope with Supplicant Towers first generating aether, switching to light once the first RoL is out to get the Hope up, and then back to aether again which would still be more useful than a standard aether tower. Many strategic possibilities would be made available--perhaps needs a slight nerf to balance it.

Um, yeah, it is supposed to be better than a normal Pillar.
Yep supposed to generate strategic posibilities.
Measured up fine when tested comparing a duo deck vs a current streamline deck.

Give me the opening hand you have and how you'd play it that means a nerf is required.
Or better the whole deck.

[Lanidrak]

Again, another slightly complex idea. Although one of your simpler ones in your 'Headache Set'.

Why not make the card text read:
"Generates 2 quanta for the element in which you have the least quanta above 0."

instead of

"Generates 2 quanta for the element you have at least 1 quanta in but less than all others."
the 'do this' - 'if' - 'at least' 'but less than', is, for the most part, confusing. It is more like pseudo-code than plain English.

Then, I also doubt whether this card will be useful enough to warrant requiring 6 of them in your deck. Say now it is my first turn and I play a Supplicant Tower and a Nova. Which element gets the Quanta? Is it randomly selected? Or do none of them get it?

Another example, I play a Supernova and a Supplicant Tower and then a Ash Eater.
I have 2 Quanta in every element, but 1 in Fire, so that turn I will get +2 quanta? This becomes redundant if I had played a Brimstone eater. Since he would expectedly provide me with +1 quanta before Pillar Generation is taken into account.

Another issue, will this card operate before or after my pillars have operated? I would imagine before, seeing as it is a permanent as opposed to a Pillar.

If you can shed some light on these issues, I will then like to point out that if this card was used, in say, a Rainbow for example. It would for the most part be redundant, since Quantum Towers produce quantum randomly, and you would have no way of effecting which Quantum the Supplicant Tower would provide - other than spending that Quanta to make it intentionally lower. But, a rainbow generally only has 1 or 2 cards of each element, so once I've played a card to make my Supplicant Tower do something 'useful', what's to say I will ever need that Quanta again?

So, it is not just the confusing aspect of some of your card designs, but all the questions that throws up which I think contributes to the over-all feeling that your idea's are a bit too 'next level'.

[Kael Hate]

Again, another slightly complex idea. Although one of your simpler ones in your 'Headache Set'.

Lol.

Why not make the card text read:
"Generates 2 quanta for the element in which you have the least quanta above 0."

instead of

"Generates 2 quanta for the element you have at least 1 quanta in but less than all others."
the 'do this' - 'if' - 'at least' 'but less than', is, for the most part, confusing. It is more like pseudo-code than plain English.

Acceptable, but not technically correct.

Then, I also doubt whether this card will be useful enough to warrant requiring 6 of them in your deck. Say now it is my first turn and I play a Supplicant Tower and a Nova. Which element gets the Quanta? Is it randomly selected? Or do none of them get it?

If 2 values are tied it generates none. An anomally that makes it technically strategic and requires thought from the player to get the best benefit from.

Another example, I play a Supernova and a Supplicant Tower and then a Ash Eater.
I have 2 Quanta in every element, but 1 in Fire, so that turn I will get +2 quanta? This becomes redundant if I had played a Brimstone eater. Since he would expectedly provide me with +1 quanta before Pillar Generation is taken into account.

Another issue, will this card operate before or after my pillars have operated? I would imagine before, seeing as it is a permanent as opposed to a Pillar.

It is a Pillar and can be clustered and destroyed by Earthquake.
Best action is for it to work before basic pillars but I'd leave that action to Zanz as I can't see into his code that deep. If it was to work after pillars it would be ok too and not change the production balance very much at all.

If you can shed some light on these issues, I will then like to point out that if this card was used, in say, a Rainbow for example. It would for the most part be redundant, since Quantum Towers produce quantum randomly, and you would have no way of effecting which Quantum the Supplicant Tower would provide - other than spending that Quanta to make it intentionally lower. But, a rainbow generally only has 1 or 2 cards of each element, so once I've played a card to make my Supplicant Tower do something 'useful', what's to say I will ever need that Quanta again?

The card is for duos/trios deck types, not rainbow.

If I have 1 Aether Tower, a Mark of Light and a Supplicant Tower, I generate 4 quanta per turn. Whereas if I have 1 Aether Tower, a Mark of Light and another tower either Light or Aether I only generate 3 quanta per turn and will be lopsided to one element or the other.

So, it is not just the confusing aspect of some of your card designs, but all the questions that throws up which I think contributes to the over-all feeling that your idea's are a bit too 'next level'.

Yeah, I like Next level. Most people do, its why they do the quests and upgrade their cards.

[coinich]

I think this card is actually far simpler from some of your others.  I like it; it gives a nice but not too large of a boost to an element lacking in quanta.

[Kael Hate]

I think this card is actually far simpler from some of your others.  I like it; it gives a nice but not too large of a boost to an element lacking in quanta.

Thanks for the props.

[Wardead]

I swear, your quantum mechanic pillars are amazingly SUPERB!

I mean, no one has that creative mind to even think of these. Hats off to you!

[Lanidrak]

Here's what I think is a slightly better idea.

Name: whatever you want.
Cost: 3 ?
Ability: Get X Quanta where X is the number of cards in your hand.
Note: The quanta you receive is the type native to the most common card in your hand.

Eg. I have 7 Cards in my hand after playing this. I have 2 Firelances, 2 Skeletons and 3 Light Dragons... I will get 7 Light Quanta.

Could work very nicely with Fractal.

Eg. I have 'This Card' in my hand after playing fractal. I know have 7 Lycanthropes in my hand and 'this card'... I will get 7 Entropy Quanta...

[Kael Hate]

Here's what I think is a slightly better idea.

Name: whatever you want.
Cost: 3 ?
Ability: Get X Quanta where X is the number of cards in your hand.
Note: The quanta you receive is the type native to the most common card in your hand.

Eg. I have 7 Cards in my hand after playing this. I have 2 Firelances, 2 Skeletons and 3 Light Dragons... I will get 7 Light Quanta.

Could work very nicely with Fractal.

Eg. I have 'This Card' in my hand after playing fractal. I know have 7 Lycanthropes in my hand and 'this card'... I will get 7 Entropy Quanta...

Could work as a spell. Doesn't really do the same job this card needs to do tho. Also check out - Spectral Mirror (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5557.msg62622#msg62622)

[unionruler]

Actually this is good for duos with all towers in one element and mark in another. Could even play RoL-Hope with Supplicant Towers first generating aether, switching to light once the first RoL is out to get the Hope up, and then back to aether again which would still be more useful than a standard aether tower. Many strategic possibilities would be made available--perhaps needs a slight nerf to balance it.

Um, yeah, it is supposed to be better than a normal Pillar.
Yep supposed to generate strategic posibilities.
Measured up fine when tested comparing a duo deck vs a current streamline deck.

Give me the opening hand you have and how you'd play it that means a nerf is required.
Or better the whole deck.

Example: Mark is 
Opening Draw: 4 towers, 2 supplicant towers, 1 RoL, 1 Fractal
Play all towers (+4-4 ), End Turn (+5+4 )
Draw: Hope
Play RoL, Fractal RoLs (=0 ), Play 7 RoLs, End Turn (+5 , +8 , +4 )
Draw: Fractal
Play Hope (=0 ), Fractal RoLs (=0 ), Play RoLs, End Turn (+5 , +16 , +4 )

3 turns and you have lots of quanta generation and a shield that blocks 17 physical damage 

[Lanidrak]

3 turns and you have lots of quanta generation and a shield that blocks 17 physical damage 

Fire Shield = you lose.
Thunderstorm = you lose.
Skull Bucker/Jade Shield/Titanium Shield/Permafrost/Solar Buckler = I take no damage.
Condor + Thunderstorm = you lose quicker.
:p

Sure, that might sound really over powered, but as with all things in a card game, there is an effective and efficient counter for any sound strategy.