Stone Golem | Marble Golem (:earth Creature)

[memimemi]

NAME: Stone Golem ELEMENT: Earth COST: 5 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 0 | 6 TEXT: Integrate: Sacrifice a permanent to give Stone Golem +2|+2.  Can be used multiple times per turn.	NAME: Marble Golem ELEMENT: Earth COST: 5 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2 | 6 TEXT: Integrate: Sacrifice a permanent to give Stone Golem +2|+2.  Can be used multiple times per turn.

ART: None yet! IDEA: memimemi NOTES: Based on Lava Golem|Lava Destroyer, but with an Earth twist.  NOTE: Can not target Shields (thanks for pointing out the BW issue, OdinVanguard!) SERIES:

[OdinVanguard]

The instant inflation may be tricky to balance, but it could be quite fun. May have OTK potential with PU but would be fairly costly (10 permanents, 4 PU and this card unupped; 9 permanents for upped)...
You will need to consider bone shield though... If it can convert boneshield counters to +2|+2 counters, that could also be an OTK and is probably quite OP.

[memimemi]

The instant inflation may be tricky to balance, but it could be quite fun. May have OTK potential with PU but would be fairly costly (10 permanents, 4 PU and this card unupped; 9 permanents for upped)...
You will need to consider bone shield though... If it can convert boneshield counters to +2|+2 counters, that could also be an OTK and is probably quite OP.

True.  I hadn't considered Bone Wall.  Maybe a hard limit on the number of uses per turn?  What would be fair - say, lower the casting costs to 4 |4 and limit it to 2-3 uses per turn?  Or, maybe, just limit it to non-weapon, non shield perms, and leave the rest as is?

[OdinVanguard]

Limiting it to 2 uses per round could be accomplished with the existing "readiness" mechanic used by SoR so it would probably be easiest to implement. This would also allow it to keep pace with steam machines.

I don't know if putting a cap on uses per turn will be necessary, since vultures don't have one. I think just limiting it to non-shields should work well. Bonewall is the only issue I can see with it.

Speaking of vultures, that may be another way to work the mechanic. Have it function like the scavenger ability, but for permanent destruction instead of creature destruction.

[dragonsdemesne]

I like that scavenger idea odin suggested.  It prevents ridiculous things like saccing ten bonwalls to it, but gives it synergy with... well, all PC.  It would also synergize with things like earthquake (in-element, too!), and it still synergizes well with bone wall.  (5 creatures attack into your wall, 5 walls destroyed)  It would also get buffed from things like your dimshield/wings/sundials timing out, or saccing your own SoP/UGs.  Also, a ruling would have to be made on whether replacing an old weapon/shield with a new one or flying a weapon would count towards the scavenger-for-permanents thing.  Assuming memi even likes the idea, and I do; I think his/her idea would be even better with that. 

The multiple times per turn thing as it is now does make me pretty nervous, given that you could scoop 7 bone walls along with 6-8 pillars at once for a rather nasty sized finishing blow.  If it were limited to one per turn, I'd feel a lot better about it, but twice could be reasonable, too.

[memimemi]

I like that scavenger idea odin suggested.  It prevents ridiculous things like saccing ten bonwalls to it, but gives it synergy with... well, all PC.  It would also synergize with things like earthquake (in-element, too!), and it still synergizes well with bone wall.  (5 creatures attack into your wall, 5 walls destroyed)  It would also get buffed from things like your dimshield/wings/sundials timing out, or saccing your own SoP/UGs.  Also, a ruling would have to be made on whether replacing an old weapon/shield with a new one or flying a weapon would count towards the scavenger-for-permanents thing.  Assuming memi even likes the idea, and I do; I think his/her idea would be even better with that. 

The more I think about it, the more scavenging seems cool, too.  Maybe rename it something like "Trash Golem|Junk Golem?"  Or, conversely, one of you enterprising types could just adjust the scavenging Golem to another element - seems like the mechanic would fit  just as well as it would  . 

But I like both ways of doing it! 

Okay, adding a poll.  I can't decide; everyone who wants a Golem that grows with perm death, and thinks that  could use some love, weigh in!

[Annele]

Spoiler for Hidden:

I think it's slightly UP. Does one permanent = one quanta?

EDIT: With the bonewall thing, why not just make it get rid of the stack?

[furballdn]

Spoiler for Hidden:

I think it's slightly UP. Does one permanent = one quanta?

Pillahs are go.

[esran]

both scavenger and the acretion like effect are powerful with bonewall, but i dont see that as a problem. earth death needs some synergy.

[memimemi]

I think it's slightly UP. Does one permanent = one quanta?

Not exactly, which is why I didn't put any limits on numbers of uses per turn.  1 for +2/+2, once per turn - VS - 0 and a perm for +2/+2, as many times as you want.

I see this card as a finisher, more than anything, especially in stalls.  Even considering Bone Wall, I think it would synergize even better with  than with  - SoP, Poseidon, Inundation all strike me as cards that might see more use with Marble Golem as a finisher.