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Space Crawler/Cosmic Crawler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19074.msg243034#msg243034
« on: January 08, 2011, 09:17:25 am »
Name: Space Crawler
Cost: 5 :aether
Element: :aether
Buy/Sell Price: 85/56
Damage/Health: 6/3
Effect: Dimension Shift: 4 :aether Switches the target creature with a random card in the opponent's deck (includes spells and permanents).

Name: Cosmic Crawler
Cost: 7 :aether
Element: :aether
Buy/Sell Price: Impossible/1146
Damage/Health: 10/4
Effect: Dimension Shift:  4 :aether Switches the target creature with a random card in the opponent's deck (includes spells and permanents).

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Re: Space Crawler/Cosmic Crawler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19074.msg243040#msg243040
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2011, 09:35:50 am »
1) Read the Read first thread.
2) Buy Sell prices are unnecessary for balance purposes.
3) The difference between the unupped and upgraded versions (+2 cost, +2 attack +1hp) is too small. Either increase attack or decrease cost by 1.
4) By random card does that include spells?
5) The ability is probably powerful enough to warrant a cost increase for both.
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Re: Space Crawler/Cosmic Crawler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19074.msg243373#msg243373
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2011, 08:02:52 pm »
It's an interesting concept, but there's definitely a few issues with the card.

First of all, as OldTrees implied, the effect is really ambiguous. What if the RNG pulls out a spell? Would it immediately cast the spell? Would the spell's caster be based on the targeted creature's owner (i.e. if I target my own creature with the effect and the RNG replaced it with a spell, who would it be cast by)? Same goes for permanents -- who would control the permanent if I used Dimension Shift on my own creature?

Even if everything is explained a little clearly, it still would be quite difficult to code for, since the game would have to somehow choose a random card in your opponent's deck, and also make sure that any non-creatures chosen don't go into creature slots.

Here's a small modification to the effect that stays true to the spirit of the original, but would be a lot easier to code, and hopefully less confusing to understand. Feel free to consider it (or not) and modify it for balance:

 :aether :aether :aether :aether: Dimension Shift -- Return target creature to your opponent's hand, then put a random creature from your opponent's hand into play under your control.

This would make for some interesting synergies with cards like Nightmare, and would also be an indirect way of 'reseting' a creature if your opponent has no creatures in their hand when the ability is used.
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Re: Space Crawler/Cosmic Crawler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19074.msg243384#msg243384
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2011, 08:11:25 pm »
When i saw the name i thought this was going to be a :gravity card.
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Re: Space Crawler/Cosmic Crawler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19074.msg243849#msg243849
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2011, 10:47:11 am »
It's an interesting concept, but there's definitely a few issues with the card.

First of all, as OldTrees implied, the effect is really ambiguous. What if the RNG pulls out a spell? Would it immediately cast the spell? Would the spell's caster be based on the targeted creature's owner (i.e. if I target my own creature with the effect and the RNG replaced it with a spell, who would it be cast by)? Same goes for permanents -- who would control the permanent if I used Dimension Shift on my own creature?

Even if everything is explained a little clearly, it still would be quite difficult to code for, since the game would have to somehow choose a random card in your opponent's deck, and also make sure that any non-creatures chosen don't go into creature slots.

Here's a small modification to the effect that stays true to the spirit of the original, but would be a lot easier to code, and hopefully less confusing to understand. Feel free to consider it (or not) and modify it for balance:

 :aether :aether :aether :aether: Dimension Shift -- Return target creature to your opponent's hand, then put a random creature from your opponent's hand into play under your control.

This would make for some interesting synergies with cards like Nightmare, and would also be an indirect way of 'reseting' a creature if your opponent has no creatures in their hand when the ability is used.
Interesting observation pikachufan. Your suggested modification to the card is possible, and yes, it could be hard to program the game to switch cards to and from the middle or bottom of the deck, but I just used pure random imagination. I've edited it so that it includes spells and permanents, and tried to make it sound like they would go to the right place. I've also tried to make it sound like spells would be put to use instantly. I've obviously failed at this. Thank you for your comments.

 

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