Soul Edge | Soul Edge

[Drake_XIV]

Why does and combine to make immaterial? Immaterial is the inability to be affected by death.

death in of itself IS immaterial. it will never die *epic squirrel*

Oh, philosophy...

Anyways, I must agree.  Immaterial isn't the best thing to make it induce.  But considering the Elements and the cards that are planned to be used, it's hard to think of something applicable...

[mildlyfrightenedboy]

So am I the only one that thinks that a field quint for two cards is a little strong?

[Fireleaf]

So am I the only one that thinks that a field quint for two cards is a little strong?

Seems OP if used with Cloak- it only requires two elements which already have significant synergy and makes pretty much every card on your side of the field untargetable. Also, isn't immortality generally considered to be Aether's territory?

I agree.  I'd make the ability cost at least  considering the range of it.

I don't think you are the only one. I know I think it's OP, anyways.

[bogtro]

a) Rather confusing
b) Definitely OP - compare with titan which has the same cost, same damage, and far worse ability
c) Combo with SoW is rather strong (and clearly better than flying titan btw)

[Pineapple]

a) Rather confusing The mechanic, as explained in the notes, is quite simple. I'm just abiding to the limited word space on weapon cards.
b) Definitely OP - compare with titan which has the same cost, same damage, and far worse ability Lolwut? Titan's ability is completely free, while this ability costs 1 duo quanta plus the quanta and cost of whatever you use to sacrifice.
c) Combo with SoW is rather strong (and clearly better than flying titan btw) Now I'm starting to doubt your sanity. You're telling me that a 4 card combo that requires 1 turn of vulnerability to EVERYTHING (1 hp) for +4 attack is better than a 2 card combo that is invulnerable to everything except soft CC?

Seems OP if used with Cloak- it only requires two elements which already have significant synergy and makes pretty much every card on your side of the field untargetable. Also, isn't immortality generally considered to be Aether's territory? Aether, Light, or Earth. However, the idea of sacrificing one thing to produce invincibility (Shard of Sacrifice) isn't too far from Death or Darkness.

I agree.  I'd make the ability cost at least  considering the range of it. That wouldn't change much.

yeeeaaah, dont like it. its a death card with dark synergy. can someone say recluse/nightfall/this? let the trolls fly. hell, why dont we just throw in a couple dusk shields while were at it I don't get it. That deck doesn't sound unlikable, unbalanced,  or troll-worthy at all.

Improved[mechanically] version in the works.

[Pineapple]

V2 Marker.

[mildlyfrightenedboy]

Just for reference, Anubis's ability is "immortality".

What is the cost of the ability of the targeted creature?
Can the ability target both permanents and creatures?


Also... this IS a quint on a stick on a stick.  I don't see it being much less powerful than the original other than taking two-three more turns to set up.

[Pineapple]

Note that it says "target's effect" and not "target's ability."
Read the examples for further explanation

[Drake_XIV]

That does make some difference.  But it doesn't change the fact that Soul Edge is essentially taking over Anubis' turf.  Note that I will use to notate total quanta.

Anubis [8 + 2 = 10 ] grants only one Immaterial.

Soul Edge and Cloak [5 + 1 + 4 = 9 ] grants MASS Immaterial.

Take note they are both duo combinations and require at least two turns to set up.

You could argue the latter is a two card combination, thus negating that lower cost [of 1 ], but that would only be plausible if they were both limited to single targets.  Considering the frail heavy hitters that both and have as opposed to , this promises to be rather troublesome.

I guess the deciding factor is some clarification on whether the Immortality is permanent or not.  If it is, then is clearly overshadowing Anubis with Cloak, no pun intended.

[Pineapple]

I guess the deciding factor is some clarification on whether the Immortality is permanent or not.  If it is, then is clearly overshadowing Anubis with Cloak, no pun intended.

V2: (negate effect;) things affected by target become immaterial while target lasts

The target's passive/continuous ability is changed from whatever it does to "its targets" to protecting/quinting "its targets", although statuses (such as death clocks) are not removed.

[Drake_XIV]

Derp.  That still doesn't change the fact that it overshadows Anubis.

How about other field cards like Empathetic Bond and Flooding that don't have counters?  Technically they affect your creatures...

[Pineapple]

Derp.  That still doesn't change the fact that it overshadows Anubis.

How about other field cards like Empathetic Bond and Flooding that don't have counters?  Technically they affect your creatures...

Bonds don't affect themselves, which leaves your mass-quint hanging on the thread of a single deflagration.
Flooding, with its upkeep and low coverage, wouldn't be that bad.

As for overshadowing anubis, this requires that extra card who's only use is as Soul Edge fodder (it's like putting immo+photon in a timebow).
In death/darkness decks, this will be better, and in time/aether decks, anubis will be better.
Also, in rainbow decks, this card competes with other weapons for the weapon slot that is usually filled by staples such as pulverizer or eternity.