Sleet | Hail

[andretimpa]

33% more, but I don't think that's makes it OP. Compared to the Arctic squid, it's makes it more balanced. Below 4 creature, squid is better by the Congeal, against 4, it's nearly the same (in my opinion, squid still wins, but they both do 12 turns, so objectively equal).

You spend a lot of quanta and turns to get the same effect of sleet using only squids. Also, your squids can get CC. As sleet avoids both of these dangers it should not be cheap. It shouldn't be as expensive as doing it with squids, because its not repeatable though.

[Zergva]

33% more, but I don't think that's makes it OP. Compared to the Arctic squid, it's makes it more balanced. Below 4 creature, squid is better by the Congeal, against 4, it's nearly the same (in my opinion, squid still wins, but they both do 12 turns, so objectively equal).

You spend a lot of quanta and turns to get the same effect of sleet using only squids. Also, your squids can get CC. As sleet avoids both of these dangers it should not be cheap. It shouldn't be as expensive as doing it with squids, because its not repeatable though.

Who said it should be cheap(er) or cost more? And no, you spend nearly the exact quanta by squid to get the same effect as Sleet. And you forgot the disadvantages of Sleet too, when you are comparing. As like, you can't choose what do you want to freeze, you can freeze already frozen creatures (turn waste), and as it said before squid freezes in the next turn, too. And the advantages of paying the cost partially at the squid. So I think the upped should Congeal.

[skyironsword]

Hail is like a combination of the old version of thunderstorm plus Sleet. Why is that useful?

[andretimpa]

Hail is like a combination of the old version of thunderstorm plus Sleet. Why is that useful?

Well, using this version of Hail gives you a card advantage, but Dessication + Zergva's version (congeal instead of freeze) does this particular job better (it will be overall cheaper too)

[skyironsword]

Well, Hail isn't as situational, because it does in fact freeze. So if any creatures don't have 1 HP, they get frozen.

[andretimpa]

Well, Hail isn't as situational, because it does in fact freeze. So if any creatures don't have 1 HP, they get frozen.

I had kinda missed the point and edited my post

[skyironsword]

I guess I'll add a poll later.

[OldTrees]

Well balanced.
I see 3 possible upgrades:
1) Cost reduction [Makes it easier to play]
2) Old Thunderstorm [Gives it some permanent effect] (The 2 effects have little synergy so the cost would not be full)
3) Congeal and cost increase relative to the unupped [I would avoid this unless playtesting of Sleet does not turn up any abnormally strong synergies*.]

*Dimensional Shield, Sundial and Sleet = lots of safe turns.

[skyironsword]

*Rain of fire, rain of fire, and rain of fire = infinite safe turns because all the creatures are dead

[Zergva]

*Rain of fire, rain of fire, and rain of fire = infinite safe turns because all the creatures are dead

Say that to a Grav. horde. AcceleArmagio doesn't think so. Btw Adrenaline rush weakens this card really much.

[skyironsword]

... I think you mean 'very much'.

And adrenaline weakens all other forms of freezing and delay, while being weak to fire shield and poison.

[andretimpa]

Well, cata-overdriven-armagios is the ultimate counter against this, but we are digressing ...