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Essence Bleeding | Essence Bleeding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37627.msg472668#msg472668
« on: March 20, 2012, 04:45:07 pm »
NAME:
Essence Bleeding
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
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TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target creature now generates quanta of its type equal to any damage it survives.
NAME:
Essence Bleeding
ELEMENT:
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COST:
2
TYPE:
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ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target creature now generates quanta of its type equal to any damage it receives.
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Re: Essence Bleeding | Essence Bleeding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37627.msg472670#msg472670
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2012, 05:06:01 pm »
Hm... situational quanta generators (like Soul Catchers) are usually hard to put into a deck because of the comparable cost in card space...For example, most Cremation decks have 6 Cremations and 6 Cremation-fodders solely to draw a 1-to-1 combo. In a Raging Voodoo deck, you either have to over-produce and hope you draw a Bleeding early, before the "quanta accumulation surplus", or under-produce and keep the cards which Bleeding should power in your hand before you draw Bleeding. In addition, in the case of Bleeding (sacrificing creature health is not repeatable without an Angel), you even need to keep in your hand the cards that power Bleeding (in this case, you can't wantonly use Rage Elixirs until you draw a Bleeding).

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Re: Essence Bleeding | Essence Bleeding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37627.msg472673#msg472673
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2012, 05:13:39 pm »
Is the situational part the only real problem?
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Re: Essence Bleeding | Essence Bleeding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37627.msg472676#msg472676
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2012, 05:20:50 pm »
I'd say drop the cost (and give it a proc rate, if necessary, for balance). Either that, or give it some internal (not relying on opponent or extra cards) synergy. Maybe something outside of the current theme, like drawing a Bleeding from your deck when one is played?

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Re: Essence Bleeding | Essence Bleeding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37627.msg472696#msg472696
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2012, 06:34:19 pm »
What is the role of this card? How well or poorly does it preform at this role?

Example:
Is it a quanta source? No, it costs to much quanta to play as a foundation.
Is it a quanta accelerant? Unlikely, it does not produce quanta quickly.
...
Is it a win condition? No, it cannot achieve victory.
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Re: Essence Bleeding | Essence Bleeding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37627.msg472724#msg472724
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2012, 07:49:16 pm »
Hrm...looking at it from a practical standpoint( How can I use this?) This card pretty much is only effective for  :gravity amargio decks, or  :darkness voodoo decks.
Perhaps  :earth's Baslisk Blood could make it useful, but that's about it.
Plus, while theoretically  :light Could combo this with Angel/ArchAngel, this card ends up competing with the existing Solar Shield and Biolumence.
Considering how Biolumence can be used to combo with Hope...This card loses that much more use.
Upgraded is a bit better, but another issue: How would this card handle insta-death effects like Maxwell or Otyugh?
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Re: Essence Bleeding | Essence Bleeding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37627.msg472798#msg472798
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2012, 12:04:31 am »
How balanced is this when combined with armagio gravy pull? Titan gravy pull?

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Re: Essence Bleeding | Essence Bleeding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37627.msg472807#msg472807
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 12:25:09 am »
I can't see any way to make this more useful, other than to add a infection type effect. any suggestions?
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Re: Essence Bleeding | Essence Bleeding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37627.msg472823#msg472823
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 12:44:54 am »
Drop the cost, poison the target by 1-2 counters? Sounds thematic and reasonable, but there may be problems with using it as CC rather than a quanta source, though.

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Re: Essence Bleeding | Essence Bleeding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37627.msg472824#msg472824
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2012, 12:47:29 am »
Maybe make it a permanent so its reusable. Has definite potential for synnergy with voodoo dolls.
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Re: Essence Bleeding | Essence Bleeding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37627.msg472833#msg472833
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2012, 01:14:24 am »
Would adding the infection affect make it more of a :death card, or simply an Other with :death affinity?
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Re: Essence Bleeding | Essence Bleeding https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37627.msg472841#msg472841
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2012, 01:46:00 am »
Would adding the infection affect make it more of a :death card, or simply an Other with :death affinity?
Depends on the final result. Likely Death.

However a more important question is: "What is it going to be doing at the strategy level?" Outside of its abnormal synergy with Gravity Pull, I see it as having no purpose regardless the price.
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