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« on: February 17, 2011, 08:31:01 pm »
NAME:
Shrink
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
3
TYPE:
spell
ATK|HP:
-
TEXT:
Target is reduced -2/-2 for every 3 life quantums in your possesion. This will not reduce the target below 1/1
NAME:
Shrink (Improved Shrink?)
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
1
TYPE:
spell
ATK|HP:
-
TEXT:
Target is reduced -2/-2 and -2/-2 for every 3 life quantums in your possesion. This will not reduce the target below 1/1 (*edited from card image)
ART:
borrowed the art from the earth golem card in game. I did the rest.
IDEA:
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NOTES:
This effect seems suiting to life. I think all the colors should have an X spell. The numbers could of course be tweaked but this seems fair to me. This is almost creature kill but the target doesnt die (directly) or lose abilities so in that way its worse.

The upped version kinda has weird wording. I was limited by space and I wanted it to be worth upgrading. I couldnt think of a better way to do it. (in case its not clear the upped version get an extra -2/-2)
SERIES:
X spell
This idea was born out of a few things. a discussion I had with a player about lifes ability to control creatures and how its rather passive in that regard. The recent fossil submission also influenced me. I also wanted to make an X spell for life. The first idea for lifes X spell has a heal creatures spell.

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Re: Shrink | Shrink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21339.msg272980#msg272980
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2011, 01:48:53 am »
So, a 499|499 could become a 1|1 for only 747 :life? No. Too cheap, since creatures don't normally get that far. Make it for every 10 :life, like any regular bolt. Rustler makes this card insanely easy to pull off.
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Re: Shrink | Shrink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21339.msg273003#msg273003
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2011, 02:03:37 am »
I like it, but the yu-gi-oh guys called and they want thier card name back. XD

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Re: Shrink | Shrink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21339.msg273054#msg273054
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2011, 03:28:56 am »
So, a 499|499 could become a 1|1 for only 747 :life? No. Too cheap, since creatures don't normally get that far. Make it for every 10 :life, like any regular bolt. Rustler makes this card insanely easy to pull off.
747 :life or 2 :time for a rewind or 8 :entropy for antimatter. Rustler? well if were talking two cards freeze and shockwave would do the trick. hell freeze/squid could deal with it to. and theres more ways then that to deal with a creature then spending 747  :life

hoping you were sarcastic. but hey im open to tweaking the numbers but 10 quantum like fire bolt would make this card suck.

I like it, but the yu-gi-oh guys called and they want thier card name back. XD
Nah its just a noun. never watched or played yugio

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Re: Shrink | Shrink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21339.msg273058#msg273058
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2011, 03:40:47 am »
I think this is a good idea and I think it is near the correct stockquanta to effect incrementation ratio.
StockShrink
1-3-2
4-6-4
7-9-6
10-12-8
13-15-10
note: stock quanta can and will be used immediately after the Xspell is cast.
However I wonder: What are your thoughts on Lignification vs Shrink?
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Re: Shrink | Shrink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21339.msg273059#msg273059
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2011, 03:41:05 am »
So, a 499|499 could become a 1|1 for only 747 :life? No. Too cheap, since creatures don't normally get that far. Make it for every 10 :life, like any regular bolt. Rustler makes this card insanely easy to pull off.
That would make the card waaay UP. Who would use this card for CC- why not just bring other forms of CC in place of this card? In fact, I think the whole idea is too UP, even for Life. The concept and art is great, don't get me wrong. The thing this card needs is a multi-purpose use. Right now this noboby would use it on their own creatures, so make this card have a different effect that can benefit your own creatures. I propose something like: When targetted creature reaches 1 l 1, gains Immortality and Unstoppable. (it's so small and agile, the opponent can't target your creature in any way, and shields are useless because the creature can easily slip past any defences with its size)
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Re: Shrink | Shrink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21339.msg273078#msg273078
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2011, 04:31:51 am »
However I wonder: What are your thoughts on Lignification vs Shrink?
I had to look up what Lignification meant :D

It would be an interesting concept for a card but I dont think it wood (pun :P) represent the -1/-1 mechanic well.

Lignification would maybe be cool as a buff your creature hurt the opponents card.

That would make the card waaay UP. Who would use this card for CC- why not just bring other forms of CC in place of this card? In fact, I think the whole idea is too UP, even for Life. The concept and art is great, don't get me wrong. The thing this card needs is a multi-purpose use. Right now this noboby would use it on their own creatures, so make this card have a different effect that can benefit your own creatures. I propose something like: When targetted creature reaches 1 l 1, gains Immortality and Unstoppable. (it's so small and agile, the opponent can't target your creature in any way, and shields are useless because the creature can easily slip past any defences with its size)
Yeah its not super effective CC but it does offer quite a bit bang for your buck. Being quite being flexible and and semi effective at low quanta levels while not consuming much quanta. It slow doen non-immortal devours. could shut down a blessed Pegasus or a dragon. The upped version barely slows a deck down but could easily negate a threatening attacker.

But I hear you about the UP in alot of situations you rather have something else. It would be nice if it could have a place in the aggresive life decks as well. I wonder what could help it fit in... drawing a card would be sweet but then it seems to good.

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Re: Shrink | Shrink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21339.msg273106#msg273106
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2011, 05:44:10 am »
However I wonder: What are your thoughts on Lignification vs Shrink?
I had to look up what Lignification meant :D

It would be an interesting concept for a card but I dont think it wood (pun :P) represent the -1/-1 mechanic well.

Lignification would maybe be cool as a buff your creature hurt the opponents card.
Lignification is a card of mine in the Life Crucible.

Since both it and Shrink deal with the same primary goal, I wanted your opinion on the pros and cons between the two cards.
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Re: Shrink | Shrink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21339.msg273141#msg273141
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2011, 07:35:17 am »
Lignification is a card of mine in the Life Crucible.

Since both it and Shrink deal with the same primary goal, I wanted your opinion on the pros and cons between the two cards.
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Theyre different really; shrink is front loaded and triggers instantly (possible saving you from an attack next turn) where as lignification takes a turn to take effect and needs to build up but has the benefit of duel uses. I considered using a % decrease on shrink originally but decided not because I didnt think it was newb/young player friendly. when your calculating to save your butt mid game %s can get a little tricky if you dont have much experience with them. But that being said lignification is fairly straight forward. I think lignification would probably see more use as a buff for devourers then as CC. mainly because it takes a few turns to take effect. for example if you opponent drops a crimson dragon you take 12 damage the turn it comes out, 9 the turn you lignificate it, then 6, then 4, then 3.... youve taken 34 damage in 5 turns. I wouldnt really consider that great CC. but then again youve saved yourself 26 damage so it would have been better then using heal but not much better then using shard of gratitude (not that i have any of those anyways). maybe if it were a bit more front loaded 33% or even 50%. I bet some would argue its op then tho...

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Re: Shrink | Shrink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21339.msg273297#msg273297
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2011, 04:46:17 pm »
Thank you for your analysis.
I think I will take your advice and increase it to 50% and let the hp grow without bound.
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