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Sapling | Sapling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43780.msg1003899#msg1003899
« on: September 30, 2012, 05:31:00 am »
NAME:
Sapling
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
3 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0 | 1
TEXT:
Sapling: Every turn Sapling gains +1|+1.
NAME:
Sapling
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
3 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1 | 2
TEXT:
Sapling: Every turn Sapling gains +1|+1.

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Re: Sapling | Sapling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43780.msg1003905#msg1003905
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2012, 05:48:11 am »
Is this balanced? Probably. But what makes this card special? EtG has no shortage of growers, and :life even has forest spirit as a grower. As I see it now, it feels only thematically tied, but mechanically boring.

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Re: Sapling | Sapling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43780.msg1003909#msg1003909
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2012, 06:04:51 am »
I agree that it is balanced, but it is too similar to forest scorpion | scorpion. It's basically the same effect with some subtle trade-offs (and forest scorpion is probably better because poison is semi-unblockable, and forest scorpion does +1 damage per turn).

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Re: Sapling | Sapling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43780.msg1003910#msg1003910
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2012, 06:06:58 am »
Is this balanced? Probably. But what makes this card special? EtG has no shortage of growers, and :life even has forest spirit as a grower. As I see it now, it feels only thematically tied, but mechanically boring.

Late Attacker from mono. No skill cost. Isn't this very original?
Wonder why this idea (in any element) is not in the game..

I agree that it is balanced, but it is too similar to forest scorpion | scorpion. It's basically the same effect with some subtle trade-offs (and forest scorpion is probably better because poison is semi-unblockable, and forest scorpion does +1 damage per turn).

2 DR shield completely blocks forest scorpion, and scorpion do not get HP bonus.
Maybe this can be in the other element?
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Re: Sapling | Sapling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43780.msg1003914#msg1003914
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2012, 06:13:54 am »
Late attacker? It's essentially a scorpion that starts with 1 less attack but less affected by shields. Not very original.
Forest spirit also has growth (and twice the amount of stats gained) for only 1 :water a turn, about a 2 card + 2 :life card that starts with better stats and has twice the acceleration.
In other, there is already Shard of Patience that fulfills this role.

In short, this concept isn't very innovative, but that does not necessarily mean that the idea should be scrapped. However many ideas like this have been submitted to the CIA before with varying results, and :life especially does not need a creature like this (I can remember at least a few cards with the same concept in :life).

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Re: Sapling | Sapling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43780.msg1003922#msg1003922
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2012, 06:42:52 am »
2 DR shield completely blocks forest scorpion, and scorpion do not get HP bonus.
Maybe this can be in the other element?

The HP advantage is... subtle. You still have a turn to kill it with the weakest bolts, and you have 3 turns to kill it with lightning bolt. Then there is gravity shield. And it doesn't poison otyugh, and can still be eaten for many turns.

Then there are some subtle disadvantages: not as good with adrenalin, no damage after it dies, no damage after dim shield played, no damage after sundial is played, vulnerable to reverse time and antimatter.
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Re: Sapling | Sapling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43780.msg1003923#msg1003923
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2012, 06:47:31 am »
Then, what if Sapling skill is passive? (Thinking Overdrive or something...)
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Re: Sapling | Sapling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43780.msg1003926#msg1003926
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2012, 06:58:18 am »
Then, what if Sapling skill is passive? (Thinking Overdrive or something...)
Another life vanilla creature. While I love vanilla creatures, having 4 in an element seems like a lot especially considering how :air has none.

If it is passive just for the sake of overdrive, that feels like a forced combo, or very situational card.

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Re: Sapling | Sapling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43780.msg1003938#msg1003938
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2012, 07:55:53 am »
Then, what if Sapling skill is passive? (Thinking Overdrive or something...)
Another life vanilla creature.
Why is something with a passive ability vanilla? Does the term vanilla not mean 'without abilities'?
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Re: Sapling | Sapling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43780.msg1003940#msg1003940
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2012, 08:10:42 am »
Then, what if Sapling skill is passive? (Thinking Overdrive or something...)
Another life vanilla creature. While I love vanilla creatures, having 4 in an element seems like a lot especially considering how :air has none.

If it is passive just for the sake of overdrive, that feels like a forced combo, or very situational card.

What will be suitable for this?
Overdrive = +4 per turn, but make it versatile (HP<3)
Butterfly Effect = Maybe the best choice
Mitosis = Not that effective, but it's in :life
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Re: Sapling | Sapling https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43780.msg1003986#msg1003986
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2012, 02:03:31 pm »
Then, what if Sapling skill is passive? (Thinking Overdrive or something...)
Another life vanilla creature. While I love vanilla creatures, having 4 in an element seems like a lot especially considering how :air has none.

So we get this card, rename it, change the element to Air, find some new art and then we're good.

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