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Shadow | Greater Shadow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26262.msg333871#msg333871
« on: May 15, 2011, 12:51:21 am »
NAME:
Shadow
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4  :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|3
TEXT:
Shadow: Every time light quanta is used by you, shadow gains +5|+0. Not cumulative.
NAME:
Greater Shadow
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
3 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|4
TEXT:
Shadow: Every time light quanta is used by you, shadow gains +5|+0. Not cumulative.
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NOTES:
Shadow gains attack when light quanta is used, because shadows usually get blacker, more solid, when light is stonger.

Shadow is a passive ability, and as such cannot be lobotomized.
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Re: Shadow | Greater Shadow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26262.msg334462#msg334462
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2011, 01:00:26 am »
yet again, you lot, STOP IGNORING ME! (or at least tell me this is ready for crucible after the challenge has ended, please.)

(PS: By ignoring, i mean, not posting. this topic does have quite a lot of views.)
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Re: Shadow | Greater Shadow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26262.msg334539#msg334539
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2011, 02:02:07 am »
@^ The more you pester for comments the more you try people's patience when they actually visit the thread. Use peaceful bumps in the future.

So what does Solidify actually do?
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Re: Shadow | Greater Shadow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26262.msg334642#msg334642
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2011, 08:04:36 am »
Quote from: an alien on May 16, 2011, 01:00:26 am
yet again, you lot, STOP IGNORING ME! (or at least tell me this is ready for crucible after the challenge has ended, please.)

(PS: By ignoring, i mean, not posting. this topic does have quite a lot of views.)
I fell behind on replying to threads.

+5 attack for 1 turn = +5 damage > 1 spark
1 spark is worth 1 quanta (1 quanta = 1 card)
Each time Light quanta is used Shadow gains more than 1 quanta of value.
Note: With the exception of Solidify, ways that spend Light quanta pay for themselves. So the only cost to reimburse is the 4quanta (3quanta+1card) casting cost.

This makes me think that this card is currently too powerful.
How frequently do you expect Light quanta to be spent per turn? 2-3 times would be my low estimate for the average.
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Re: Shadow | Greater Shadow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26262.msg334744#msg334744
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2011, 03:59:11 pm »
Quote from: Rutarete on May 16, 2011, 02:02:07 am
@^ The more you pester for comments the more you try people's patience when they actually visit the thread. Use peaceful bumps in the future.

So what does Solidify actually do?
Sorry. I kinda get irritated when i see every other post with at least a few replies, and mine without any. I'll try to keep calm on the future.

Solidify was just a way for the card to use light quanta by itself, though maybe i'll remove it and add 1 HP for the upgraded.

@OldTrees:

So should the ammount of attack it gets be decreased? Or maybe the cost of the card be increased? Also, the bonus to attack is not cumulative (Rustler ability spam won't net you a 100 attack creature at once) so i do not understand why you ask how many times i expect light quanta to be used per turn.
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Re: Shadow | Greater Shadow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26262.msg334753#msg334753
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2011, 04:19:41 pm »
Quote from: an alien on May 16, 2011, 03:59:11 pm
@OldTrees:

So should the ammount of attack it gets be decreased? Or maybe the cost of the card be increased? Also, the bonus to attack is not cumulative (Rustler ability spam won't net you a 100 attack creature at once) so i do not understand why you ask how many times i expect light quanta to be used per turn.
Sorry about the multiple times per turn mistake. Sometimes my eyes skip words.

So on average (with rounding to integers) this creature is a 5|3.
A 5|3 is worth 4 :darkness|3 :darkness

Solidify is not needed.
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Re: Shadow | Greater Shadow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26262.msg334763#msg334763
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2011, 04:27:33 pm »
Very well. would a buff of 1 HP to the upgraded allow a same cost? It protects against many basic CC, like Ice Bolt, Fire Bolt, RoF, slows down poison, etc.
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Re: Shadow | Greater Shadow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26262.msg334769#msg334769
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2011, 04:38:46 pm »
Quote from: an alien on May 16, 2011, 04:27:33 pm
Very well. would a buff of 1 HP to the upgraded allow a same cost? It protects against many basic CC, like Ice Bolt, Fire Bolt, RoF, slows down poison, etc.
[1-5]hp is valued at roughly the same under the current theory. You can increase the hp to 5 and still decrease the cost.
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Re: Shadow | Greater Shadow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26262.msg334774#msg334774
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2011, 04:42:43 pm »
well, that's interesting. shadows are still rather flimsy, so out goes Solidify Self, in goes 1HP, and out goes 1 quanta of cost for the upped. in goes 1 quanta cost for the unupped.

Updating now.

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Re: Shadow | Greater Shadow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26262.msg335032#msg335032
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2011, 10:34:53 pm »
This + Wyrm (or was it pegasi?) = pretty good combo
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Re: Shadow | Greater Shadow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26262.msg335045#msg335045
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2011, 11:10:46 pm »
Quote from: Rutarete on May 16, 2011, 10:34:53 pm
This + Wyrm (or was it pegasi?) = pretty good combo
Pegasus, and that requires a trio of :darkness / :light / :air .
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Re: Shadow | Greater Shadow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26262.msg335048#msg335048
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 11:15:44 pm »
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Quote from: Rutarete on May 16, 2011, 10:34:53 pm
This + Wyrm (or was it pegasi?) = pretty good combo
Pegasus, and that requires a trio of :darkness / :light / :air .
oops. Thought pegasus' ability cost light. Still, mark of air and some pendulums would take care of that.
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